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PostPosted: 20:06 - 23 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

YBR Ric wrote:
I've certainly learnt something new today about the small KTM, but does anyone have any knowledge on finish quality of the Spanish Rieju brand?


Good but built for Spain / Italy weather. Can get mild rusting in the constant British drizzle. RS2 build quality was good, I am told the RS3's is a bit cheaper feeling. Parts easily available from urbanquad.co.uk (not everything on the website, a phone call gets you anything you want from them).
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 05 Jul 2013    Post subject: KTM Duke 125 Reply with quote

The worst bike I have ever had watchdog needs to investigate them.
List of faults
Chain x 2 due to them not changing the sprockets
Roller sensor
Fork seals
Front fault brake
Fault brake sensor
New clutch
New throttle cable
Faulty loom ( which they will not replace even after the bike locking up at 70mph
Now the bike won't run and telling me that the valves are bent and the cylinder if damaged even when it started before it went to ktm
Engine leak
Dash flickering
All this at a cost of £3500 what a joke biggest peace of junk on the market DO NOT BUY
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 05 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Y'all thought of getting in touch with MCN or similar? They do occasionally run hatchet pieces, depending on where their advertising money is coming from.
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PostPosted: 01:58 - 06 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend rides a duke 125 & he's had a lot of electrical issues but no mechanical issues so far.

I think for there price they're not very good quality.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I retract my previous post about them not being too bad.... my list of faults so far...

Faulty front brake light switch
Paint cracks
Fuel Leak
Whole bike needed to be rewired due to corroded wires
new dash unit as old one died
new chain/sproket set after 2k miles - i clean and lube every week
radiator pipe split

I have had it since september and have covered 5.5k miles.

Admitidly they have fixed everything apart from the paint under warrenty but its a ball ache!
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

TwoWheelsDaily wrote:
I retract my previous post about them not being too bad

Trying to decide if "Informative" or "Funny". Wink

I'd suggest getting on to MCN, and/or email vsb@vosa.gov.uk to report the safety issues (fuel leak, radiator pipe). If you don't, who will?
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have sent 3 letters to KTM, 2 to their customer services department and 1 to the Customer services. I have heard nothing.

I tried calling KTM direct, 1st off WHAT A PAIN IT IS TO FIND THEIR NUMBER!

When i eventually got through to them i was spoken to by a very rude receptionist that refused to put me through to anybody.

I am getting rid of it soon and getting a suzuki so i dont have to deal with there crap anymore. Its a shame as i was very tempted to go on and get a bigger KTM but due to the amount of problems im going to steer well clear for a while!
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your list of problems. You don't expect a list like that doing 5.5k on a chinese 125 yet alone a brand new major brand european bike!

I have been very tempted by the Duke 390 and now the RC390 but this list of faults puts me off completely! I'll go and buy a GPZ305 and streetfighter it...it'll be more reliable!
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i spose in one respect its as well to just outright buy an asian made bike knowingly, theyre much cheaper, and at least youre not expecting japanese quality and ending up getting summat else?

a mate of mine was well pissed when he paid extra and got his son a quality "yamaha" 125 thats really a jianshe built machine.
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PostPosted: 00:33 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's my position. If you're going to buy Asian / Oriential, then buy cheap.

For example, the Sinnis Trackstar might be a decent enough bike, but at £1700 OTR, it's pushing twice the price of a Lexmoto Vixen.

So, why not buy two Vixens?

Really, why not?
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpf1959 wrote:
a mate of mine was well pissed when he paid extra and got his son a quality "yamaha" 125 thats really a jianshe built machine.


Without wanting to go into this too much...my experience is that the Yamaha branded bikes are made with better metal/bearings/components than the Jianshe branded bikes. I honestly wouldn't expect any problems with the YBR, and if you do get any they'll be easy to fix. However the Jianshe I have is still pretty damn solid for a Chinese machine.

The build quality on the CBF125 which is Indian made actually seems to be poorer quality, especially on rust protection than the Chinese made YBR.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree with Rogers post, why not buy 2 vixens, as it goes, i really like the look of that model, and they have a pretty good reputation from what i have learned.

Sam, i would be interested to know a bit more about your experience with the jianshe, and if youve had no trouble, they are a good price so id be really interested to know why would you think the yam badged one worth so much more?

i take your point regarding the jianshe built yam, and maybe there's a special cell at the plant same as the R.E. bullets in india where they make a bit better bike for the west. but its only a little better.

but, do they really even do that? my mate was not impressed with his sons ybr though i did not get the detail.

my wife has very recently passed her cbt, today in fact, on a ybr coincidentally Smile and im seriously considering a chinese bike for her, its her choice but she just maintains she will be satisfied so long as its low enough light enough and cheap.

maintainance would be done by me anyway. i could rebuild any of those chinese bikes easily so mechanicals are not a problem. but at the same time im not keen on having loads of hassle! Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Vixen (HN125-8) was fine. Slow, basic, but trouble free. The bits that I didn't fiddle with just worked, and even when I'd "over optimised it", putting it back to stock sorted it out.

The only things that need sorting are a connector block for the sidestand switch which is placed right under the engine and is guaranteed to corrode unless you do something with it, and possibly a 30 second tweak to the idle mixture which is set lean as stock. It benefits from going +1 or +2 on the front sprocket, which costs all of £5 delivered. There have been a few failures of the RHS exhaust hangar that I know of.

ACF-50 out of the crate, used in all weathers for 3 years, an occasional wash down =
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I could have paid a lot more for less enjoyment.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

good post Roger thanks, its always nice to hear from someone that has actually owned a certain model, and that has run one for a good amount of time too. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a decent owners' forum as well. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 20 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
There's a decent owners' forum as well. Wink


well, ive gone and got her one Roger, its a 2013 with around 350km on, been for first service, got it for 750, rode her home about 45 miles, what a really pleasant little bike. the gearbox was so slick i was amazed!

fingers crossed shes as good as yours was Smile

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PostPosted: 21:08 - 21 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpf1959 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
There's a decent owners' forum as well. Wink


well, ive gone and got her one Roger, its a 2013 with around 350km on, been for first service, got it for 750, rode her home about 45 miles, what a really pleasant little bike. the gearbox was so slick i was amazed!

fingers crossed shes as good as yours was Smile

https://i.ebayimg.com/t/Lexmoto-Vixen-125-Motorcyle-4-Months-Old-Still-Running-In-Bargain-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/oRIAAOxyVX1RvECW/$(KGrHqNHJCUFGmtkfJbvBRvECWE64Q~~60_12.JPG[/img]


Sounds like a bargain. Just take care of it and try to avoid leaving it out in the wet and it should do the job nicely!

I know it's late, but the Jianshe I have is a 2007 so could well have had some bits replaced already. However the only trouble I've had has been with the front wheel bearings and crap in the fuel system. It has never broken down and I don't think it has any more rust than the equivalent Yamaha.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

the jianshe's did look good Sam, but the wife likes the look of the vixen. luckilly i can fix anything that may be a problem in the future so she's got nowt to worry about.
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 22 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpf1959 wrote:
the jianshe's did look good Sam, but the wife likes the look of the vixen. luckilly i can fix anything that may be a problem in the future so she's got nowt to worry about.


Yep! It's not like parts are hard to come by. The HN125 is becoming VERY common (around here at least).
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 30 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger, how did you find the manlung tyres performed in the wet/damp conditions? they may well be a-ok but they seem pretty hard compound. but, unless theyre downright dangerous though i dont really want to waste money changing em.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 31 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kept them rubber side down, and passed my mod 2 on them in the tail end of a genuine blizzard.

You won't want to try getting a knee down, but then again, it's not the sort of bike to encourage that anyway.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 01 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think most people rate them as OK Roger, so long as the bikes ridden sensibly. but you do always get a few that put a worm in your head with (possibly bullshit) posts such as ....sliding the back end out but thats the way i like it, ....that probably shouldnt be took seriously, but tyres is one thing i do take seriously!
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 02 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

UnspeedySam wrote:

Without wanting to go into this too much...my experience is that the Yamaha branded bikes are made with better metal/bearings/components than the Jianshe branded bikes. I honestly wouldn't expect any problems with the YBR, and if you do get any they'll be easy to fix. However the Jianshe I have is still pretty damn solid for a Chinese machine.

The build quality on the CBF125 which is Indian made actually seems to be poorer quality, especially on rust protection than the Chinese made YBR.


Comments like these always amaze me! How do you know for a fact the metal is better? Are you a metallurgist by any chance? In what way is it better? what tests if any have you done to prove this either by non-destructive or destructive tests did you obtain the results from? Or did you just analyse the material using a spectrometer or perhaps you just did some microstructre examinations? Please share with me your tests and results as im curious. & yes I am a metallurgist as a matter of fact!

With regards to rust protection, what do you mean? Is it the actual substrate material? Or maybe it had some outer coating or perhaps some analytical coating such as galvanising that broke down?
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 02 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bunglebubs wrote:
UnspeedySam wrote:

Without wanting to go into this too much...my experience is that the Yamaha branded bikes are made with better metal/bearings/components than the Jianshe branded bikes. I honestly wouldn't expect any problems with the YBR, and if you do get any they'll be easy to fix. However the Jianshe I have is still pretty damn solid for a Chinese machine.

The build quality on the CBF125 which is Indian made actually seems to be poorer quality, especially on rust protection than the Chinese made YBR.


Comments like these always amaze me! How do you know for a fact the metal is better? Are you a metallurgist by any chance? In what way is it better? what tests if any have you done to prove this either by non-destructive or destructive tests did you obtain the results from? Or did you just analyse the material using a spectrometer or perhaps you just did some microstructre examinations? Please share with me your tests and results as im curious. & yes I am a metallurgist as a matter of fact!

With regards to rust protection, what do you mean? Is it the actual substrate material? Or maybe it had some outer coating or perhaps some analytical coating such as galvanising that broke down?


When the Jianshe was briefly stolen by incompetent chavs (they were terrible at hotwiring Laughing ) they broken the steering lock and with it, one of the ignition mounts off the top yoke. This exposed the metal of the top yoke, which I'm sure I took a photo of before I repaired it, but can't find it.

I've attached a photo I just took of the only exposed metal that is left as I haven't put it back on the bike. It's not as good an example but you get the idea. The alloy is clearly very high in zinc. It is porous and quite brittle. You don't need to be a metallurgist to look at it and see that it is poor quality.

Maybe I mean thickness of the metal, I'm not sure. But I've met a few people with newish CBF125s that get used in the rain and each and every one of their bikes was showing it...a lot! The JS125 has been used for all weather commuting over the winter by me, my partner and the previous owner and barely any rust is evident.

I will admit that I haven't seen a broken YBR125 top yoke to compare the quality of metal, but I would bet that Yamaha wouldn't sell a bike made of the same stuff. However I am admittedly speculating on that one issue.
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