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dudders7
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Cornering info please Reply with quote

Hey all,
Well after a painfully long week without the bike on the road shes all good now, new callipers on the front and new pads all round. New Pirelli Angel GT tires, everything done and shes handling like I never knew possible...

So the question is as follows, I am an experienced and good rider. I live at the top of a mountain in Australia and I have timed myself coming up the mountain on the old tires and brakes which was around 4 mins 20 seconds, now with the new tires and brakes I am doing it in 3.40 that's without any scary moments just riding fluidly but fast. So I have now come to ask, is there a way to corner even faster? When I got back I had a look at the tires and they are nicely scrubbed in right down to the tires edge. So evidently I am leaning in to the max and I use reverse cornering. So the big question is how do I get faster around the corners?

Maybe that is the limits of the bike I do not know. I ride a very well set up ZX6R. Any ideas guys? Suspension was set up and refurbed by the guys who do the Kawasaki racing teams suspension just outside Sydney.
Any and all information tips etc gladly appreciated!
Cheers


P.S. hope the weather isn't too grim over there! Wink
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

you sir, appear to be living the dream...
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Cornering info please Reply with quote

Bastard...


You've probably already watched it, but always worth a re-watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVWNinsmkAw
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Cornering info please Reply with quote

dudders7 wrote:
Hey all,
So I have now come to ask, is there a way to corner even faster? When I got back I had a look at the tires and they are nicely scrubbed in right down to the tires edge. So evidently I am leaning in to the max and I use reverse cornering. So the big question is how do I get faster around the corners?


Hang off, the purpose of which is to lean the bike less for any given speed, so you can go a bit faster without getting to the edge of the tyre.

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I use reverse cornering

Counter steering?
All good for keeping it smooth.

Trying to shave seconds off is ultimately a good way to stack into a tree though.
It's more satisfying to ride smooth, fast but safe IMO.
Nothing better than safely dealing with the unexpected like some animal running out because you were going fast but not too fast.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

without seeing you ride or what the road is like your question is impossible for us to answer.

3.40 could be good, it could be dire.. how are we to know?

watch twist of the wrist.. take it in.. learn.. improve. other than that how can we offer any advice? /shrug
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

prizefighter wrote:
you sir, appear to be living the dream...

True that! Its a fabulous country, but there are too many coppers out here. You think your safe on a quite country road in the middle of nowhere, but that is not true! I came around a bend doing 143KPH in a 100KPH zone and there was a copper coming towards me, $513 fine! Other than that its a fucking excellent place to ride!

In regards to the last poster, 3.40 on a 6km mountain road with 6 cattle grids that you have to slow right down for is bloody fast, and as I said that's at the maximum lean angle.
What I am asking is if there are any techniques to go faster around those bends without the sides of my boots scraping the ground! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Cornering info please Reply with quote

Aff wrote:
Bastard...


You've probably already watched it, but always worth a re-watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVWNinsmkAw


I know what can i do Laughing

No I had not seen that video I will watch it now, thanks for that Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds as though your talents are wasted on the road.

Best get out on a track instead.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dudders, don't just tease us, get a video up!
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

In B4

G wrote:
Twist the throttle more

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PostPosted: 09:57 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes

Get on a track, watch twist of the wrist 2.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dudders7 wrote:

In regards to the last poster, 3.40 on a 6km mountain road with 6 cattle grids that you have to slow right down for is bloody fast, and as I said that's at the maximum lean angle.
What I am asking is if there are any techniques to go faster around those bends without the sides of my boots scraping the ground! Very Happy


with rear sets and proper body positioning you should not be scraping your boots on the floor unless you'd fallen off.

which leads me back to my previous point. without seeing you ride we have no idea if you're on the right track or not.

get a mate to video you go past on a corner and post it up. we'll then be able to offer some advice on where to improve.

no point telling you this or that if you've got some basics like body position wrong (i don't know if you have or not - and that's my point Smile)

besides which.. as others have said, if you want to hair it along going as fast as you can.. get on track!
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really bother trying to shave time off my favourite roads. I just try and be smoother and smoother. Sometimes try and do them without using the brake if it's a quiet sunday morning.

Trying to go faster and faster, conscious of the actual seconds, is a sure fire way to mash yourself.

Get on the track and surprise yourself.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some slicks! Really it's about how committed you are. Bet you've never done a run where you thought that was perfect. There will be bits you are not as confident on and this is where you make time by committing to be being better on them then doing it. Its just less then 4 miles so your average is about 60mph, must be plenty of scope to improve on bends and brakes.
The maxim is brake later, corner harder, get on the gas sooner. Never be doing anything other than braking or accelerating. Commitment.

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