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PostPosted: 01:32 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: INFO ON THESE BIKES PLEASE Reply with quote

I am new here so please forgive if I am not posting in the correct spot.
I have these two bikes from my grandmas house from after she died, her husband was a mechanic drained the oil and gas ect.. on these and put them away for winter, he died before they ever got rode again. When she died I had these bikes gone thru at a shop and they replaced some gaskets that had dry rotted out and put fresh battery in them to make sure they would start but I just put them right back into storage.

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[Edit] ... I am looking for info on their worth and what I should be asking for them, I will post better pictures when its light outside. I have matching original helmets same exact color with more of a sparle or flake in the paint. both bikes have less than 2000 miles on them and haven't been ridden or anything for quite a long time the last start was when they were gone thru by a local bike shop about 7 ears ago after my grandma died.

for background my mom just sold a tandem Schwinn bike to a local bicycle shop owner ( her bike was stored with these motorcycles) who saw the hondas and wanted to buy them on the spot but I had no idea what to ask for them. He would like to keep them orignal and display them in his shop.
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PostPosted: 05:42 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CL100 looks very similar to the CB100 I owned as a teenager, but with off-road pretentions. Somewhat of a rarity over here.
The 125 looks like an early CG125.

They look quite similar but the CL is an over head cam engine whereas the CG is pushrod engine. Also the electrics are quite different, one bike runs lighting and spark direct off the mag whereas the other requires a battery to run.

In that condition both would be rather collectible over here, but no idea on the value I'm afraid. They are nice examples for sure.
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PostPosted: 05:55 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate the replies, I didn't quite realize I was posting in a UK forum till after I had already done so, I was in a hurry to head out for work and wanted to get some opinions as this shop owner is calking me a couple times a day trying to buy the bikes off for display. By chance is there a another forum you would recommend that is more centered to the usa?
I found one but there does not seem to be much traffic in the way of replies.
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PostPosted: 05:55 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate the replies, I didn't quite realize I was posting in a UK forum till after I had already done so, I was in a hurry to head out for work and wanted to get some opinions as this shop owner is calking me a couple times a day trying to buy the bikes off for display. By chance is there a another forum you would recommend that is more centered to the usa?
I found one but there does not seem to be much traffic in the way of replies.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This be the web. It exists in a dimension where geopolitical boundaries have a different meaning... Tevor...
Cutlery Geeza... this forum is British based, most users reside on this wet and windy island, hence topic of discussion usually concerns UK related 'stuff'.
Bikes. You seem to have a mid 1970's Honda CB125J and it's Street-Scrambler stable mate the CL100.
Small displacement machines have never had the following in the US they have had in Europe where tax and licencing regulations have often limited access to larger displacement machines; But didn't stop the American indulgence in excess simply making up the for thier lack of cubes by simply buying them in bulk!
Sold as leisure equipment, rather than as utiliterian means of transport; for incredibly under-inflated prices at the time; a lot of these kind of bikes exist in the US, having seen little use, and having been stored away when a new leisure activity has been discovered, rather than passed on and ridden into teh ground by a succession of ever more impoverished daily riders.
There are a couple of companies here in the UK that buy them up in the States, stick them in containers and ship them over here to feed the quite active 'restorers' market.
As a rough reckoner on value then; if they were containered over here by one of those barn-find specialists?
Well, the CB125S, fully restored as a museum piece, here in the UK, would command a price tag of perhaps £1500, give or take £500. $2000 or so.
The CL? Slightly more interesting, but non UK model, and the less favourable 100cc version, probably not as much.
Your side of the pond? Fact that folk are buying these kind of bikes up to ship here and sell on, for profit? I would take a stab at $500 or so, 'ball-park'....
BUT it's what the buyer will pay and what the seller would accept.
End of the day, no-ones getting any pleasure from them sat in a shed....
They might give many more people some pleasure on display at a dealers as a talking point...
So... what are they worth TO YOU?
They are taking up space. They obviousely have little intrinsic interest to you as a motorcycle; you obviousely have little interest in motorcycles; so why do you even hang on to them?
Why not take whatever dealer offers? Cash in hand is better than junk rotting in shed?
Worried you might get ripped off or not get thier 'true' value?
Did you PAY for them?
So what does it matter?
Some-one who has a lot more interest, and enthusiasm for those little bikes would like to buy them... so why not give them to some-one who obviousely cares?
Worried he'll not display them, sell them on, make a profit?
SO WHAT... they will STILL be going to some-one who has more interest and enthusiasm for them than you do, where they will be more than some old junk in the shed.
One of the many Evils America has promoted around the world... paranoia over $-Price without a thought for anythings real worth!

Put it like this; at the moment; they are about 500lb or scrap metal taking up space in a shed; unseen, un-run, unused.... a waste of space...... another symptom of American conspiciouse consumption that you can afford the luxuary of such space to keep such junk; where in other parts of the world, that space would have to earn its keep, doing something productive, and where such junk would be valued by how much it could do, against how much it cost to do nothing!

If you are really worried to get $-Value.... put them on e-bay, give the dealer the auction number, tell him he can bid on them if he wants to.
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got back from a local motorcycle shop, I told the man there I was looking for info on a couple bikes and showed him a partial picture of one of the cl 100. this man instantly recognized that he had been the one to work on these 7 years ago when they were brought in and was very excited! apparently according to him these are the two best looking hondas of that time that he has ever seen in his last 40 years doing this and advised to take no less than 1600 apiece. I am still not sure I want to sell them. even though I dont ride them and they sit in storage, I have sentimental attachment. I do have a trip coming up though and if offered the right price I guess I would sell them to help fund the trip as long as I know they are not going to be abused and ridden.
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PostPosted: 05:21 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's some backwards reasoning if ever I saw it. You don't want them to be 'abused and ridden' but you're happy for these pretty little bikes to be stored away out of sight where no-one else will get to enjoy them until you die yourself and lose any control over what happens to the machines. You don't even take the time to clean and polish them so where exactly is this emotional attachment?

Sell the bikes and enjoy the trip you fund with the money as a last gift from your grandparents. If they are looking down on you they will be happier than watching the bikes slowly rot away unused.
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PostPosted: 05:25 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reasoning is not backwords at all, these bikes look like they should be in a display for others to enjoy. I would rather hide them away and wait for the right buyer than sell them cheap and see some teenagers beat the hell out of them and be in the dumpster with in a few years.
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PostPosted: 05:39 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The shop guy intends to polish them up and have them as nice little display items in his store, right? So just ask him what he thinks a fair price would be.

These ain't Chippendale chairs. It's not like you're going to take a few hundred bucks for them then find they were actually worth a few thousand.
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PostPosted: 05:41 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutlery fan wrote:
My reasoning is not backwords at all, these bikes look like they should be in a display for others to enjoy. I would rather hide them away and wait for the right buyer than sell them cheap and see some teenagers beat the hell out of them and be in the dumpster with in a few years.


You lose control of the bike's destiny the moment you sell it. A dealer will tell you anything he thinks you want to hear if there's a profit in it, so expecting them to 'do the right thing' is very naiive.
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PostPosted: 05:57 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct in that, it would be naive to expect a shop owner do buy these not expecting him to profit from them. I will wait until I find the right buyer still. I can cover my up coming trip money wise it would just be nice to have more of a cash cushion for the unexpected but its not necessary to sell the motorcycles at this point for that specific reason. I sincerely do appreciate your input and advice.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutlery fan wrote:
You are correct in that, it would be naive to expect a shop owner do buy these not expecting him to profit from them. I will wait until I find the right buyer still. I can cover my up coming trip money wise it would just be nice to have more of a cash cushion for the unexpected but its not necessary to sell the motorcycles at this point for that specific reason. I sincerely do appreciate your input and advice.


You have as much chance of winning the lottery than of finding the "right buyer" (somebody who'll display them).

To be ridden they'd need a bunch of work doing anyway, so flog them for a grand each and forget about them. "Sentimental" is something you can wear around your neck/wrist/finger.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I respectfully disagree. The only work these need is a fresh battery and MAYBE the carbs checked just to make sure nothing has gummed up. They were last started 7-8 years ago and the gas and oil was drained out and they were parked again to be stored. Say 50$ to clean each carb and 20$ each battery its looking like 200$ to get them running including fresh gas and oil
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutlery fan wrote:
I respectfully disagree. The only work these need is a fresh battery and MAYBE the carbs checked just to make sure nothing has gummed up. They were last started 7-8 years ago and the gas and oil was drained out and they were parked again to be stored. Say 50$ to clean each carb and 20$ each battery its looking like 200$ to get them running including fresh gas and oil


Bearings? Seals? Gaskets? Rusty tank? Electric connectors? How about the tyre rubber, not perished and cracked? Etc etc.

You're clearly not a biker/mechanical type so take advice from any who are. Exclamation
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admittedly, I do not ride motorcycles though I am not mechanically inept. I asked about the value of these bikes wanting to know what they are worth dollar wise, these bikes are in excellent condition bearings and seals are fine. I have already had a look inside the tanks and they are still dry as a bone, no rust. There has not been anything inside of them to rust. And no the tired are not cracked, in fact they are not even flat they are still holding the same air pressure
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Bearings? Seals? Gaskets? Rusty tank? Electric connectors? How about the tyre rubber, not perished and cracked? Etc etc.

You're clearly not a biker/mechanical type so take advice from any who are. Exclamation


Bearings will have probably seized, if not will fail when put into use.

Seals, cracked and worn, especially fork seals, which will fail.

Gaskets... mmm maybe, can't hurt to change the usual ones.

Tank if drained of petrol will be rather tasty on the inside Laughing

Tyres are probably well past their age, they'll want replacing or they'll fail.

Hetzer is right... you will need to chuck easily $300-$500 into each of them. They aren't worth that.

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And no the tired are not cracked, in fact they are not even flat they are still holding the same air pressure


Then they'll have horrendous flat spots and they aren't usable. If they don't then they are still probably far too old to be useful.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutlery fan wrote:
Admittedly, I do not ride motorcycles though I am not mechanically inept. I asked about the value of these bikes wanting to know what they are worth dollar wise, these bikes are in excellent condition bearings and seals are fine. I have already had a look inside the tanks and they are still dry as a bone, no rust. There has not been anything inside of them to rust. And no the tired are not cracked, in fact they are not even flat they are still holding the same air pressure


Go on then; stick some gas in one, fire it up and go for a spin. Thumbs Up

Try and keep your speed below 20mph though. Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not sure why but it seems as though some of you are annoyed at my good fortune with these bikes, I have already inspected the tanks and did not see any rust at all. The tires are still holding air as normal and roll fine with no noticeable flat spot that I can find at all, yes the tires are original and there is no deterioration, cracks or withering to be found. I'll get one of the batteries out of the box I put them in and put it on a trickle charge tomorrow to test the electric but I am more than willing to bet that is all in fine order. while I agree that bearings and seals do wear out that is a given, all things mechanical wear out. since these bikes have not had any wear and tear on them I dont foresee any issues but I will be more thorough in giving them an inspection when its light out.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutlery fan wrote:
Im not sure why but it seems as though some of you are annoyed at my good fortune with these bikes, I have already inspected the tanks and did not see any rust at all. The tires are still holding air as normal and roll fine with no noticeable flat spot that I can find at all, yes the tires are original and there is no deterioration, cracks or withering to be found. I'll get one of the batteries out of the box I put them in and put it on a trickle charge tomorrow to test the electric but I am more than willing to bet that is all in fine order. while I agree that bearings and seals do wear out that is a given, all things mechanical wear out. since these bikes have not had any wear and tear on them I dont foresee any issues but I will be more thorough in giving them an inspection when its light out.


Lack of use means liquids stop coming into contact with stuff. Stuff then dries out and perishes. Your fork-seals, for instance, will fail real quick.

All you're getting from me is objective advice. Ultimately I could give a toss what you do, but preferably that you don't hurt or kill yourself/others.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutlery fan wrote:
Im not sure why but it seems as though some of you are annoyed at my good fortune with these bikes


LMFAO!! Yeah man we're all jealous as fuck of your incredible good fortune in chancing upon some amazing old bikes that aren't worth much in mint condition, and considerably less in a state that may well be mechanically delicate. I'm green at the gills with pure envy.


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I have already inspected the tanks and did not see any rust at all. The tires are still holding air as normal and roll fine with no noticeable flat spot that I can find at all, yes the tires are original and there is no deterioration, cracks or withering to be found. I'll get one of the batteries out of the box I put them in and put it on a trickle charge tomorrow to test the electric but I am more than willing to bet that is all in fine order. while I agree that bearings and seals do wear out that is a given, all things mechanical wear out. since these bikes have not had any wear and tear on them I dont foresee any issues but I will be more thorough in giving them an inspection when its light out.


Bikes don't like standing for long. Brakes sieze, moisture settles - and evaporates - settles and evaporates, etc. All the time oxidisation is taking place. Carb boots go hard and perish, hoses too. You're not in a sunshine state, to say the least. Now yeah - okay, it might not take *too* much to get these things running. But there'll be a part here, a part there - and pretty soon you'll have put a few hundred $$ into them. By the time you've got them running you'll be lucky to get 500 apiece. Which is what I said to begin with.

Here is what I would do given that you have already garnered some interest from the store guy who - if I get your story - wants them as ornaments in his place. I would do fuck all about the mechanical shit. Leave it. Just get air in the tyres if needed. Then I'd concentrate on getting them looking good. The purpose of these things will be purely aesthetic. And they *should* polish up well. Get them sparkling, then invite the guy back. Show him them in the midday sun when they're all gleaming and bright - and ask him how much he's prepared to offer. This way your outlay is minimal - just polish and elbow-grease - and you're pitching them on the field the guy's playing on. Fuck all that mechanical shit - they'll be shagged and you'll just be wasting money.
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