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outlaw1982
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 15 Aug 2013    Post subject: kmx 125 kips opening at 9000rpm ???? Reply with quote

hi, im new to this site but not to bikes, i have just bought a kmx125 1988 model for fairly cheap off a friend, it starts no bother and rides fairly well, when i bought it didnt think it was up to much being the smallest crosser ive owned lol, Rolling Eyes ive played with the carb and got it a little faster, but noticed after a good ride out lastnight the power doesnt come in properly untill it hits 9000revs but seems to be hardly any power in 5th gear and will just cruise in 6th, i have removed the kips cover and can push it with my thumb in and out so i would rule out seizure, ive been told they can be adjusted but dont know nothing about the kip system, any help would be greatly appreciated, i think it will be a very niipy bike if i can get the powervalve coming in sooner
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 15 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: kmx 125 kips opening at 9000rpm ???? Reply with quote

outlaw1982 wrote:
i think it will be a very niipy bike if i can get the powervalve coming in sooner
thanks Wink


don't think the KIPS valve can be adjusted.

The valve just opens at a certain engine speed. around 7k.

if its lacking power then try the usual stuff, clean air filter, new spark plug, decoke exhaust, new exhaust gasket & check exhaust system for leaks/holes, check the carb mixture, check reed valves for cracks, check inlet manifold for air leaks, check float level, repack silencer.

finally if that routine stuff doesn't work then do a compression test to asses the condition of the piston/rings and bore. Poor mid-range power can be leaking piston rings.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 15 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it a service Wink
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 15 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strip the carb and clean it. It sounds like it runs fine once it is on the main jet.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 15 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I remember about the set up on the KX you should be able to remove a cover, rev it to 7000-9000 rpm and then check if when the KIPS valve activates. I seem to remember the system on the KX was a friction clutch arrangement, so that it didn't need to use a solenoid, and it was adjustable.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 15 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other Paul Rudd wrote:
From what I remember about the set up on the KX you should be able to remove a cover, rev it to 7000-9000 rpm and then check if when the KIPS valve activates. I seem to remember the system on the KX was a friction clutch arrangement, so that it didn't need to use a solenoid, and it was adjustable.


Nope it's a centrifugal clutch system like the automatic clutch on an old pedal moped, may have been the RM I was thinking of.

The ball bearings and springs can wear and get stuck, it's common with early Mobylettes as they use a single ball bearing to activate the clutch. I'd do as Ariel Badger said and if that doesn't work check if the KIPS valve is activating when it should.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 15 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

from what I recall about a friends bike years ago they have some sort of shim arrangement for adjustment.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 16 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The kips valves don't really need or have much adjustment I'd set right...they do however snap the exhaust kips valves easy if not maintained......whilst the clutch system valve works ok.....take the exhaust off and look up the port whilst you push the actuator bar across......do the kips vales open and close?
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PostPosted: 05:43 - 16 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you take the cylinder head off you'll be able to lift out the drums and rotate them to alter the alignment, there's normally marks on the drums that line up with marks on the operating rod
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 16 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for all the replys Very Happy well today i have stripped the carb down and cleaned it, checked and cleaned the reeds(no bits missing or cracked), removed the filter all together because it is a mess, and adjusted the card again, its running even better but still the same problem, i have also had the exhaust off and both kips seem to open as they should, but the exhaust seal might as well be none existent and also it sound like its got piston slap(knocking from the top end) so would say the rings are worn, but would this really affect the kips working properly Confused like i say it runs fine apart from the kips
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 16 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

me again and im slightly confussed, i have took the exhaust off again to double check both kips are opening and try a bit of exhaust assembly paste on just to try a better seal, both kips are defo opening, then was going to put it back together but i put my fingers in the exhaust bore with the piston at the bottom and can wiggle the piston about, obviously needs a new set, then brought the piston further up so i could inspect the rings and found the top one to be missing Confused lol i think ive found my problem but should the bike still be running?
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 16 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

outlaw1982 wrote:
brought the piston further up so i could inspect the rings and found the top one to be missing Confused lol i think ive found my problem but should the bike still be running?
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Sounds like a bit of a mess in there. Its worth having the head off and seeing what state the cylinder is in.

the ring may have bounced around in there a bit. Did you find any bits of it in the exhaust ? Thats where they usually end up. Or at the bottom of the crankcase.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be honest i dont think its had 1 fitted, Crying or Very sad because ive had it out twice and rapped it lol and its never got worse, with my tinkering its actually better, ill have to order 1 and go from there Smile
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