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Snorty
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Speed camera flashes - timing Reply with quote

I was driving along with a car just over two weeks ago, we were going along the ring road, the limit drops to 60 at one point, I was well aware this was coming up as we reached that part.

I let the car go ahead for this part, I saw his brake lights go on, so assumed he'd easily brake for it, I looked at my speedo and let it drop to 60, but as I sort of entered the lines for the camera, it flashed twice, he was still in the lines, bright flash at night!

I'm pretty sure me or at least part of my bike was in the shot, but I'm also pretty sure I wasn't speeding. What's the timing like on these cameras? It's been around two weeks or more but still could get a NIP.

I was worried all that day maybe I'd gone to 80 instead of 60, it's hard on a bike to know the difference in feel (and looking briefly an eight can sometimes look like a six). A few hours earlier I'd been doing triple digits towards a scamera van (on opposite side of carriageway) but spotted it wellll in advance, parked up silver vans are a signal to slam on for me. Do these do both sides of carriageway? I imagine traffic on their side would interfere so would only do one side at a time.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've waited longer than two weeks for a notice to drop through the door...and believe me, I've had plenty of them Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A scamera van should be able to see both sides of the carriage way. However if their side of the carriage way is busy and you're not going exceptionally fast, I suspect you have a high chance of going unnoticed.

However if you haven't heard anything within 3 weeks, you're probably safe. Legally it's 14 days I believe, but that 14 days is posted not received, so allow a little extra time on top to allow an item posted to arrive.

If you were sent an NIP and you weren't speeding - prove it!

The lines on the road are there for a reason. They are a fixed distance apart so that it is possible to work out the speed of the vehicle in the photograph. So you can request to see the evidence and then calculate your exact speed by using the lines on the road.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all fella, good luck with nothing coming through. All I can say is that from my experience of these is that they never flash when you are only entering the lines, (not the ones I have been through or witnessed others setting off) they only flash as you are further into the lines. So if the car was well into the lines and you were barely in them, then from my experience it will be the car and not you.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that the scameras could pick you up up to a mile away?

^what gix said. Every time I've been caught by a fixed camera I was near the end of the lined zone. I've been in the same situation as you and not had a penalty, so you may well be OK
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going towards the camera van on the opposite side of the road, when I braked for it, I looked for a large vehicle to get in front of to obscure their view of my plate, and jumped in front of it.

It was the 3rd of August, so I guess something could still come through! Confused me because I've been through it hundreds of times, and because I knew it was coming didn't have to brake hard, I'd already let off the throttle before I saw it. I can only think it would have got me due to maybe slowing to 80 instead of 60. Can't say for sure, but just the fact it flashed threw me off. Didn't think the other guy would be stupid enough to get caught, especially with beemer brakes, but then I know the road and the cameras on it well...

Time will tell I guess!
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starting to feel like it's a lottery each time I go out whether I'll lose my licence or not. Let's be honest, not many of us buy bikes so we can do the speed limit...

The amount of times oncoming cars have warned me of a parked up police car when I've been going at jail-time speeds, and the amount of times I've just decided to conserve my tyres' curvature and slow down on the straights, to find a camera van parked up. Won't stay lucky forever. I will always warn other drivers/bikers about stuff like that.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had one come through up to 4 weeks after the nic....and I waited 4 months for a letter clearing me of any prosecution after being nicked for an under-inflated tyre. Point being, these can take a little longer than you think
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanYZF wrote:
I've had one come through up to 4 weeks after the nic....and I waited 4 months for a letter clearing me of any prosecution after being nicked for an under-inflated tyre. Point being, these can take a little longer than you think


Yes, which plays in OP's favour as if an NIP is posted after the 14 day limit, it's invalid.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanYZF wrote:
I've had one come through up to 4 weeks after the nic....and I waited 4 months for a letter clearing me of any prosecution after being nicked for an under-inflated tyre. Point being, these can take a little longer than you think


Confused it must have been something else, don't need/get an NIP for tyre offences.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bezzer wrote:

Confused it must have been something else, don't need/get an NIP for tyre offences.

Surely there will be a verbal NIP at the time?
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Bezzer wrote:

Confused it must have been something else, don't need/get an NIP for tyre offences.

Surely there will be a verbal NIP at the time?


Nope, NIPs are only used for a few traffic offences - Dangerous/Careless Driving, Speeding, Failing to conform to a traffic sign/direction given by police officer and Leaving vehicle in a dangerous position.
Used to be you sent one to EVERY driver involved in an RTA in case dangerous/careless driving came to light later but that got canned some years ago and you don't send them for offences arising from an RTA.
You get cautioned when reported for the million and one other traffic offences you can commit you don't get a verbal or written NIP.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bezzer wrote:
DanYZF wrote:
I've had one come through up to 4 weeks after the nic....and I waited 4 months for a letter clearing me of any prosecution after being nicked for an under-inflated tyre. Point being, these can take a little longer than you think


Confused it must have been something else, don't need/get an NIP for tyre offences.


You do when po have dragged you down to a weigh bridge, with said flat tyre. Po was gagging for the nic but the letter from the CPS said it wasn't in the public interest to pursue.

I know it's not a camera fine...but 4 fucking months to post the letter? After 2 I was thinking the fat prick of a copper had just let it go
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanYZF wrote:

You do when po have dragged you down to a weigh bridge, with said flat tyre. Po was gagging for the nic but the letter from the CPS said it wasn't in the public interest to pursue.


Still not an NIP though, you were just reported for the "offence" then they decided to drop it.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean it to sound like it was. My point was that things like this can take longer than 2 weeks...as I have experienced with both
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanYZF wrote:
I didn't mean it to sound like it was. My point was that things like this can take longer than 2 weeks...as I have experienced with both


There is a fixed period in which a NIP from a camera must be served within.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as they post it within two weeks
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
Starting to feel like it's a lottery each time I go out whether I'll lose my licence or not. Let's be honest, not many of us buy bikes so we can do the speed limit...




Then maybe you shouldnt be on the road. speed traps are simple and easy to spot. They add a tiny bit more risk and challenge into driving. Imagine what the roads would be like if everyone was going to speed??!? it would be chaos Shocked most people stuggle to drive safely at normal limits.

Maybe your becoming one of these people?
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 18 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure you just haven't been lucky and not got caught?

So, if you were going along the road at the bottom, you reckon you would notice a police car with a radar gun from the linked view before they saw you?
https://goo.gl/maps/bKxy4

In my experience, all drivers speed at some point or another.
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PostPosted: 04:50 - 19 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

good luck with the Camera,,,,, THEY DO NEED TO MEASURE A DISTANCE AND IF YOU WERE ONLY JUST ENTERING THE ZONE i DONT BELIEVE YOU WILL HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM.
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oh well I guess you are used to the bloody caps lock Issue I have with computers ...

Anyway when I got the papers for the guy who was speeding on my BMW last autumn , the average speed was taken over 1000 metres,,,(cat and fiddle) and they had the start point, the end point, the time down to .038 of a second and the speed to four decimal places .......
[b]so 500 metres either side of the overhead stanchions[/b]
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PostPosted: 06:30 - 19 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would have been measured using VASCAR or something similar, not a fixed camera or van location. They follow you over a measured distance and measure the time you take to get through it.
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PostPosted: 06:53 - 19 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Are you sure you just haven't been lucky and not got caught?

So, if you were going along the road at the bottom, you reckon you would notice a police car with a radar gun from the linked view before they saw you?
https://goo.gl/maps/bKxy4

In my experience, all drivers speed at some point or another.


Wait, that's an actual unmarked car at the bottom of the slip road isn't it? High-vis, camera from the rear-view mirror and recording equipment and cameras on the parcel shelf.

Is it not illegal for the officer to sit and wait at that position as it's not an emergency? I thought there were set points on the shoulder of a motorway where it is acceptable for officers to park.
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 19 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh; so it is!
Well, I'm always cautious past that junction anyway now, as it goes!

I was told the one that got me was a good bit further up - but it was a marked car, so they'd have been wanting to hide a bit more.

Not sure on legality - there's various things they're allowed to "cos they want to".

I'm sure we're told to get out of our cars and wait on the side when on the hard shoulder!
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 19 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd suggest editing your post to remove the 'r' word. It's not looked upon in a good way by the fuzz.
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