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shaanaleem92
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: soon to do tests for a2 license...questions regarding bikes Reply with quote

So im getting closer to my license after completing cbt and theory test, will be doing mod 1 and 2 in the next month or so...
So ive been looking and researching bikes, initially I was looking at getting a restricted hornet but some would say that taking the risk with the law, and the more I look at naked bikes the more ive lost the appeal and interest in them.. So the quest was on to find a nice looking bike that I can continue using once I get my fully unrestricted license in a few years time rather than getting a new bike, in another words looking for something that can be restricted and derestricted after tge years.
I have taken alook at the list of a2 category bikes on the direct gov website and taken more interest in the er6-f , I like them in green, my dad says bikes with fairings are better for protection against weather and cut through better than naked Bike so yeah... I intend to use the bike most times apart from extreme bad weather like pouring rain or snow and ice, so want something confortable but something that I wont get bored with quickly which tends to happen in everything I do.

Does the er6-f get restricted to below the 35kw limit to meet the 0.2kw/kg rule, as I think at 35kw it is above the allowed limit of 0.2kw/kg rule, normally it has something around 71bhp
Maybe ive done my maths wrong but if someone can vlear that up would be nice Smile

I can see myself owing an er6f, but it would also be a dream... Something to urge me on to complete and pass my tests to gain my license Smile
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah they can be restricted for the A2 license, whats your budget roughly for the bike Question

I'd say your dads right with the weather protection/fairing comment, although realistically - you said your not going to be riding in really bad weather, which will rule out the really windy days probably a lot of the year, so if you aren't doing long commutes on carriageways and motorways etc i wouldn't consider fairing too much of an important issue.

Ultimately i'd say get what you like, you can read 1000 reviews and hear 1000 opinions but if you don't like the bike at the end of the day you'll just wish you'd got the one you wanted.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah they can be restricted for the A2 license, whats your budget roughly for the bike Question

I'd say your dads right with the weather protection/fairing comment, although realistically - you said your not going to be riding in really bad weather, which will rule out the really windy days probably a lot of the year, so if you aren't doing long commutes on carriageways and motorways etc i wouldn't consider fairing too much of an important issue.

Ultimately i'd say get what you like, you can read 1000 reviews and hear 1000 opinions but if you don't like the bike at the end of the day you'll just wish you'd got the one you wanted.


Right well then the er6-f is at the top of the list

Yeah I see what you mean but this country is a very windy one so you never know as long as its not dangerously wet I will probably ride out, I was hoping to use it to travel to and from university every other weekend, which results in a 50mile route along the m1 motorway, and obviously some random fun rides when the weather is nice Smile

I see what you mean, and I like to think im that kinda person, no matter what always getting what I wanted in the end, with a few exceptions.

I dont know what my budget is really
Atm I have only enough to pay for training and my tests,
But I hace 1800 saved up that my mum has kept (otherwise I spend) for a car.. I could probably add another 1000 onto that personal savings. And I should be getting a personal injury claim from being hit by an idiot whilst I was stationary on the roundabout, (my dad car I was driving at the time was written off) that cheque came through but obviously is going to be used to purchase a replacement car. Also looking for a part time job at uni and with studebt finance it all adss up if I wait abit.
So if im impatient around 2000, I would also invest in a camera and some protective gear, maybe a helmet (got a helmet already)
If I wait it out ( having surgery in December anyways) I could have a budget of around 3-4000.
This also includes insurance, but I could pay monthly which works out 80 to 100 a month
Also um the kinda person that does not like buying second hand unless I have to. So may look into finance of a new bike, if affordable.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't bother paying monthly, its normally better to just pay for it with a loan/credit card etc if you find one suitable.

Same with buying new to be honest, personally i've never bought a single vehicle new, it literally drops a shed load of its value the minute you drive it out the dealers door for a start, and a lot of the 'benefits' i.e warrantys never come into play until they expire anyway as obviously a brand new bike rarely has faults that need the warranty to come into play - and even then they may dispute some things are 'wear and tear' down to riding or what have you.

Have a look at some lower mileage used bikes, maybe from a dealer if it makes you comfortable, but personally i'd just look privately - as long as you give it a good check over and check for things like service history to see its been maintained to a reasonable level you will save a fortune Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
I wouldn't bother paying monthly, its normally better to just pay for it with a loan/credit card etc if you find one suitable.

Same with buying new to be honest, personally i've never bought a single vehicle new, it literally drops a shed load of its value the minute you drive it out the dealers door for a start, and a lot of the 'benefits' i.e warrantys never come into play until they expire anyway as obviously a brand new bike rarely has faults that need the warranty to come into play - and even then they may dispute some things are 'wear and tear' down to riding or what have you.

Have a look at some lower mileage used bikes, maybe from a dealer if it makes you comfortable, but personally i'd just look privately - as long as you give it a good check over and check for things like service history to see its been maintained to a reasonable level you will save a fortune Thumbs Up


Thanks for the advice will take it onboard,
I probs wont buy new but buy something relatively new , im thinking 2010 model, well I will have a look and see whats affordable etc.
Thing is with dealers they have 0% finance for 3 years, do you think they would do this offer on oldwr bikes they have in stock?
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends entirely on the dealer really, play it cool and don't seem too keen or like you have cash to splash and you might get them to give yo some options.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for that Smile
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ER6-f is fine for A2, they're decent bikes, and if you like them, go for it.

I can't imagine why you'd even consider (actually) restricting a bike that claims over 70kW, since you wouldn't be riding in accordance with your license either way. You might as well just ride it at full power while carrying a PaddyCerttm that claims it's 35kW, innit.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for that Smile
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought restricting was a thing of the past since the new rules came in?
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
I thought restricting was a thing of the past since the new rules came in?


you cant restrict an R6 ...

basically the new rules state that any bike that is to be restricted within the law cannot be more than twice the power allowed... so basically you can only restrict a bike if it is originally 70kw or less...
also the power to weight ratio cannot be more than 0.2kw/kg... so you need a heavy bike basically
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 23 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

shaanaleem92 wrote:
the power to weight ratio cannot be more than 0.2kw/kg... so you need a heavy bike basically

35kW = at least 175kg. In the UK we interpret this as wet weight, including tools, but not luggage, so it's really not as bad as it looks. Also, I very much doubt you'll ever find a copper or insurer who knows or cares. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 23 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah thats a good point it seems insures dont care wether a Bike is restricted or not, which kinda sucks as I was hoping a restricted bike results in cheaper insurance.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 23 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll find that many of them will count it as a "modification" and will put the premium up. Don't try to find any sense in that, you'll only sprain your brain.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 23 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
wet weight, including tools,


So is that just the standard bike toolkit? Or will I be allowed to include my hydraulic press, I like to carry it in case of bearing or swingarm bush failure.
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