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PostPosted: 12:13 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Lucky break - always check your chain! Reply with quote

For the past two weeks the cbr chain has been bouncing around a bit because I hadn't adjust the slackness - I don't have the tools to undo the rear axel, so thought "I'll just take it to Honda next week".

Called up yesterday, brought it in at 9am today, they tightened the chain and when I set off there were horrible crunching noises as some of the rings around the thingy's on the chain had completely come off.

If I'd gone on the Mway today, that chain would've come off and I would've been a gonner. Guys at Blackpool Honda have been awesome, new chain + sprocket kit is costing me £160+, but they'll have it done tomorrow and they gave me this 700cc hybrid in the meantime:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSwR8FsIgAAmAJT.jpg

It's actually not bad, twist and go, still faster than plenty of cars and (I have been told) does 109mph.

Moral of the cool story bro: keep your chain tightened properly!!
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, the part that jumps out at me is that the Honda repair people didn't notice this problem while tightening your chain... Wouldn't it have been fairly obvious? Maybe they're trying to kill you. Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You went to a Honda dealer, paid them to tighten your chain and they din't notice your chain was fkd / missing integral parts and sent you on your way ? Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it not have been cheaper to buy the 2 tools that you need rather than pay dealer prices?
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banger wrote:
You went to a Honda dealer, paid them to tighten your chain


I fell off my chair laughing here.

It is a self service item unless you have no hands.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
Maybe they're trying to kill you


It wouldn't be the first time for Blackpool Honda to be honest. I took my bike there for its free 600 mile service (oil change basically). When I went to check the bike later on at work after I had ridden back. I noticed a large pool of oil underneath the bike because the monkey hadn't tightened the oil sump bolt in all the way!

To top it off there was also a litre of oil too much in the bike as well even after it had leaked all over the road.

Never again will a dealer touch my bike and that was six years ago.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Banger wrote:
You went to a Honda dealer, paid them to tighten your chain


I fell off my chair laughing here.


I know, I had a good laugh when I was typing it. Laughing

The most basic, from day one, shit. . . OP Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is pretty poor show from the OP.

Even I know how to tighten my chain and I'm a bell-end.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is pretty poor show from the OP.

Even I know how to tighten my chain and I'm a bell-end.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know lots of people who take their bikes to the dealer to adjust the chain. If you have more money than time, there's no shame in it. It's the shoddy work by the dealer that's shocking. That seriously *could* have killed the op.

I was quite nervous the first time I adjusted the chain myself -- worried about alignment, about figuring out the unfamiliar torque wrench, about whether I was measuring the slack in the correct place, etc. The first time I did it, I went right over to the dealer to have them check my work. Embarassed For anyone not mechanically inclined, it is a big step.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Lucky break - always check your chain! Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:
I don't have the tools to undo the rear axel, so thought "I'll just take it to Honda next week".

Spanner.

I'll go ahead and assume that some YTS chimp put it up on a stand, adjusted it drum-tight, and it just tore itself to bits when you put weight and torques on it. You'll be lucky if it didn't put your cross beam owt skew on't treadle.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much did main stealer charge?

A tool kit suitable for doing the rear spindle as well as 99.9% of the rest of the bike is usually ~£100.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Lucky break - always check your chain! Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
J7mbo wrote:
I don't have the tools to undo the rear axel, so thought "I'll just take it to Honda next week".

Spanner.

I'll go ahead and assume that some YTS chimp put it up on a stand, adjusted it drum-tight, and it just tore itself to bits when you put weight and torques on it. You'll be lucky if it didn't put your cross beam owt skew on't treadle.


It is absolutely industrial strength tight, I'm not weak by any means and with the provided spanner I couldn't unlock it for shit. Also, they adjusted the chain for free for me. Smile

The issue is that the swing arm protrudes a little too much so you can only loosen it by pulling UP, with the spanner length-ways towards the rear of the bike. You can't put weight on it forward and that's the main issue.

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Note about the dealer: The mechanic did mention that I needed a new set, I didn't say it properly in the initial post, sound guys. Just didn't mention I'd hear a horrible crunching sound going 5mph in the carpark Confused

Even commented on how I am really pulling the bike over to it's limits looking at the rear tyre (but never get my knee down though...) - and didn't need to lend me the courtesy bike for free, so really helpful all in all Smile

Can anyone recommend a good tool for undoing the rear axel, not just a shitty spanner?
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You just need what's called a breaker bar, I think. It just lengthens the handle on your spanner/socket wrench and it'll come undone easily. Some socket/spanner sets come with a bar.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Lucky break - always check your chain! Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good tool for undoing the rear axel, not just a shitty spanner?



A 450 mm+ breaker bar with a 1/2 inch drive and I think it is a 32 mm socket to fit the nut on your bike, also in 1/2 inch drive.

Do you already have a socket set?
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say this every time I have mentioned doing anything on my bike.

I bought a socket set from Argos that has two ratchets, smaller and larger, it has every socket I'll ever need and screw bits, allen bits ....

All for the measly sum of £40. I'm a soft handed lab monkey, not a mechanic and I've read a haynes and watched youtube videos to learn what to do.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
How much did main stealer charge?

A tool kit suitable for doing the rear spindle as well as 99.9% of the rest of the bike is usually ~£100.


They did it for free - just popped down before work at 9am and I'm glad I did. After tightening it the problems with the chain really became apparent.

DrDonnyBrago wrote:

Do you already have a socket set?


Yep, I have one of those at least. It's the leverage required and the awkward angle because of the swingarm that makes this harder than expected. All the YouTube vids were "just do this, and that's it!" - hah, yeah right, try it on this bastard.

Edit: Now I know it's a "breaker bar": how's one of these?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-600mm-2-inch-Breaker-Drive/dp/B000O619PA/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377697997&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=motorcycle+breaker+bar
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:


That will be fine.

If you already have a 32 mm 1/2" drive socket then you are laughing. The other side of the axle is 24 mm IIRC but you don't really need to hold it.

BTW, the rear axle nut on that bike should be done to 92 Nm. That is "quite" tight, but you should be able to undo it afterwards without a breaker bar.

EDIT: Hard to judge tightness without a torque wrench but 92 Nm is about the same as applying c.17 kg of "force" to the hand grip of that breaker bar


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PostPosted: 14:00 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:


I've got 3 or 4 of the Sealey ones in varying lengths.

They are good for the money, haven't had one last longer than a year though, but I put that down to the fact that I use them alot and every one has broken at the pin on a tight car wheel nut where you cant keep the head at exactly 90 degrees.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is mine, had it for about 5 years:

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/pro77-1-2in-drive-breaker-bar?da=1&TC=SRC-breaker+bar
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the torque wrench I use, if interested:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000CSXN9K/

I don't know if it's any good (professional ones cost a lot more), but I've used this one a few times now and the back wheel hasn't fallen off.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys, I'll take a look. I'll probably be worried about the alignment of the wheel after sorting it out in the future so will try what the other poster suggested and take it to a garage straight after to have it checked out Thumbs Up

Just glad I made the call to get it looked at this morning Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
Would it not have been cheaper to buy the 2 tools that you need rather than pay dealer prices?


I adjusted the chain on my gixer using the tools that came with the bike. OK so I couldn't undo it myself even with putting my weight on the flimsy spanner you get but it soon shifted when a friend helped out.

Buying tools would be better but it can just about be done with the shitty ones you get for "free"!
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have'nt read all posts (too busy just now) but ill never use a honda dealer again. I used them for my first service (to keep warranty). When I done my second service I discovered 3 broken plastics, 5 fairing bolts with chewed up heads (took about an hour to get them off without further damage), 1 broken fairing bracket and a threaded fairing bolt.

Over charging wankers. I could have broke all that and not paid the £45 an hour for the privilege. Sad

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PostPosted: 17:00 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scootaloo wrote:
This is pretty poor show from the OP.

Even I know how to tighten my chain and I'm a bell-end.


Even I can tighten the chain (and do an oil change) and Im Homer Simpsons bell end. With that said I once had to ask a tyre fitter to loosen the dam thing enough for me to adjust it with the OE tools. They use 3 foot long wrench, I got a 6 inch spanner with less leverage than my cock.
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