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PostPosted: 16:36 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: What can cause handlebar shake under heavy braking? Reply with quote

I was going round roundabout, not very fast (40 mph maybe, increasing the speed towards the exit). Then I misjudged other drivers intentions as to which lane he was going to pick and had to apply brake hard... released a little then applied again. The handlebars started shaking like mild tankslapper. I tried braking on a straight road later to see whether it would happen again but it did not.

What could have caused it?

I could have distributed to much weight on my handlebars my thoughts are, but I don't remember now.. The bike was a bit unsettled anyway.

Would you suspect something else? Bearings? Wheel balancing? My front tyre is 800 miles old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGFx5IjCkmQ

Please skip the other part of the video Embarassed
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too much front break and the bike trying to right itself as you're continuing to go around perhaps.

Or just a shite road surface - theres a long curving bend near me with a long shallow crack along it parallel with the road, and if you corner near it you tend to 'jump' in and out the crack causing a wobble.

From the video though it looks like you just hit a large stone or something.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just went to that roundabout a while ago and I cannot tell it's excessively bumpy.. I noticed no cracks.. I don't think I hit a stone.. I cannot see any in the video Confused
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

one of the few things i remember from my cbt as it was told to us before we got our hands on the bikes and demonstrated to us was not to hit the front brake hard whilst trying to turn the bars. front wheel does not like it.
or for a shorter more truthful answer, poor obs caused it.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has your bike got ABS?
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

h00dwink wrote:
one of the few things i remember from my cbt as it was told to us before we got our hands on the bikes and demonstrated to us was not to hit the front brake hard whilst trying to turn the bars. front wheel does not like it.
or for a shorter more truthful answer, poor obs caused it.


I admit I did not read the intentions of the van driver correctly.. I thought he wanted to pick the right lane so I went without braking for the left.. then he was sitting in the middle of the road so I thought he maybe just wanted to move to the left, so I went to the right.. In the end I'm not sure what he wanted to do. But it's 100% my fault, I should have slowed down regardless what his intentions were.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
Has your bike got ABS?


Haha.. no.. It's an 11 years old bike. They did not do ABS for ZX6R at the time.. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maggot wrote:
thepuma wrote:
Has your bike got ABS?


Haha.. no.. It's an 11 years old bike. They did not do ABS for ZX6R at the time.. Wink


Oh right....just thought it may be the ABS kicking in.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
Maggot wrote:


Haha.. no.. It's an 11 years old bike. They did not do ABS for ZX6R at the time.. Wink


Oh right....just thought it may be the ABS kicking in.


That was just me:
Maggot wrote:
I had to apply brake hard... released a little then applied again

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PostPosted: 18:45 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks to me from the video that it's just too much brake applied too quickly. We've all done it

Suspension not getting enough time to transfer weight to the front, front wheel locks for a second till tyre gets properly loaded then normal service is resumed.

I'm sure you know this but for those that don't, don't grab a handful, squeeze the brake to load the front tyre then give it the big brake. It takes a millisecond longer but will stop you far more effectively. Not always the easiest thing to do when in panic situation though Wink
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks to me from the video that it's just too much brake applied too quickly. We've all done it

Suspension not getting enough time to transfer weight to the front, front wheel locks for a second till tyre gets properly loaded then normal service is resumed.

I'm sure you know this but for those that don't, don't grab a handful, squeeze the brake to load the front tyre then give it the big brake. It takes a millisecond longer but will stop you far more effectively. Not always the easiest thing to do when in panic situation though Wink
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks to me from the video that it's just too much brake applied too quickly. We've all done it

Suspension not getting enough time to transfer weight to the front, front wheel locks for a second till tyre gets properly loaded then normal service is resumed.

I'm sure you know this but for those that don't, don't grab a handful, squeeze the brake to load the front tyre then give it the big brake. It takes a millisecond longer but will stop you far more effectively. Not always the easiest thing to do when in panic situation though Wink
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Re: What can cause handlebar shake under heavy braking? Reply with quote

Maggot wrote:
mild tankslapper


I wish to fuck that people would stop using the term 'tankslapper' every time a bike shakes it's head a little bit.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget alot of round about have sort of lip on the exits, between the braking on the bend, poor observations, fork compression while braking and the lip ridge thing you just gave the bike a bit too much to deal with all at the time
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enduro Numpty wrote:
It looks to me from the video that it's just too much brake applied too quickly. We've all done it

Suspension not getting enough time to transfer weight to the front, front wheel locks for a second till tyre gets properly loaded then normal service is resumed.

I'm sure you know this but for those that don't, don't grab a handful, squeeze the brake to load the front tyre then give it the big brake. It takes a millisecond longer but will stop you far more effectively. Not always the easiest thing to do when in panic situation though Wink


It could be I squeezed the lever a bit generously. Then I felt the rear raising too much so I released the brakes slightly then I had no choice but to squeeze it again. And there was steering to do at the same time. Too little space and time to think and do things properly in an 'oh shit' moment. You just let the instincts do it for you.

I don't put myself in situations like this very often.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 04 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

orac wrote:
Don't forget alot of round about have sort of lip on the exits, between the braking on the bend, poor observations, fork compression while braking and the lip ridge thing you just gave the bike a bit too much to deal with all at the time


So it seems Neutral
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PostPosted: 02:53 - 05 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like you hit an upwards dip coming off the roundabout that makes the banging sound on camera? I'm thinking that this may have compressed the suspension a tad then when braking compressed it even more so you no longer have any travel which is upsetting the bike.

Just seems like one of those freak occurrences where multiple factors came into play and that there actually anything wrong with the bike Smile
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 05 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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