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Pie-Roe
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: To and from an MOT station and to a place of repair Reply with quote

Hi all, I've pushed the limits of this ruling before but as I'm a bit more sensible nowadays I'd like some opinions.

I'm intending to go pick up a bike from Lincolnshire on Monday. It's not been on the road for 4 years, has no tax or test, no paperwork with it. My plan was to book a local mot, or an mot at a place near me (depending on what time it would be that I go up, as I might not be leaving there until 3, leaving me no plausible time to get back to Canterbury to get an MOT)

It's just I need to ride round a fair portion of the M25 and M11, which appears to be ANPR central. While I'm not really bothered about being buzzed doing whatever speed or having a letter sent to whichever random it happens to be registered to, as in situations like this I always apply for the paperwork from the day I bought it, For sure it's never a week later, that would be covering ones arse a little bit too much right? if I was to get stopped with insurance, a failed MOT or a prebooked MOT and no paperwork, surely this will look a bit shonky to the lovely white capped upholders of justice?
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say it would be very much on the dodgy side. Not to mention the inconvenience to the current owner who will have to explain to the police that it wasn't him.

However, I'd be more concerned about riding a bike that hadn't been ridden for four years on the road TBH. Personally I'd save the hassle and hire a van for a day.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was me I would hire a van and collect it that way, as it has stood for 4 years you don't know what else may be wrong with it.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I'd say it would be very much on the dodgy side. Not to mention the inconvenience to the current owner who will have to explain to the police that it wasn't him.

However, I'd be more concerned about riding a bike that hadn't been ridden for four years on the road TBH. Personally I'd save the hassle and hire a van for a day.


The current owner bought it off a guy in the pub, who didn't have any paperwork. It's HPI clear though.

I'm not really concerned about that Marjay. Getting the train up is 20 quid, fuel down will be 30ish. Hiring a van starts at £60 plus a young driver surcharge, plus then I need to get diesel and 400 quid for a deposit. I have good breakdown cover so I'll just get it brought home if theres a problem. I was just going to say the brakes were busted and get it recovered home anyway but the last time I did that they were asking about mot and tax and it got a little bit touch and go whether they would actually bring me back.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is quite a jaunt on a shed-find bike. Thinking

If you're preparing to legal-up, you may want to check your insurance for one of those hilarious "no MOT, no cover" clauses that they seem to like slipping in these days.

Sounds like you should be getting it for a "steal". Sure you couldn't have factored in a van?
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What year bike... I have a few erm... yellow registration squares you could use to get it home...
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trade plates?

could you not just get it using (a friendly garages) plates?
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
What year bike...



...like that matters! Cool
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get breakdown cover with "home start". Wait a few days or until cover is in effect. Do something to make your bike look genuinely broken down such as flattening a tyre or better yet, mess about with something you know cant be fixed at the roadside (but you know will either be cheap to repair or can be undone yourself). Get the breakdown company to take you to an appropriate garage.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you not need paperwork for an MOT nowadays? When I went for my last one they insisted I had an old MOT or the V5 with me.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick 50 wrote:
Do you not need paperwork for an MOT nowadays?
When I went for my last one they insisted I had an old MOT or the V5 with me.


I've never had this.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been asked for them, but have been passed without them.

An MOT certificate is just a receipt now anyway, it should already be on The Computer.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
What year bike...



...like that matters! Cool


Indeed.

If having a legit non ANPR triggering number is what you need and can use an 06, PM me...
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

you could just risk it!

a friend of mine has done this many times and has been lucky and got away with it.

the furthest she did was ride from north wales to london with no tax, mot, and a practically bald tyre with practically no groves in the thread of the centre on the tyre.

she was very carefully about what vehicle she had behind her trying to make sure that there was no marked police cars/vans

shes done this from time to time for over 10 years when buying a new bike and getting back home
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is nothing specifying a maximum distance that you are allowed to travel for an MOT. Additionally the vehicle is TAX exempt whilst driving to or from a place of test/repair for which a TAX disk cannot be obtained without. If you really wanted you could buy a bike in Scotland and MOT/Tax it in dover.

I would show you the specific legislation but I deleted the screenshots from my imgur.

However I wouldn't fancy trying to explain that to a copper who will say that you're incorrect even if you show him the legislation, because that's what the man down the pub told him one time.

It's worth noting that the vehicle must be roadworthy in order to drive on the road in any circumstance, but the same applies for a fully tax and tested vehicle.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over here we find dear flounced T.C spouting "the nearest MOT station by the most direct route" from some imaginary "regs" that he's dreamt up in his crash damaged noggin. Bless.

There's sod all in the statute about distance, but I do actually accept that he's got convictions out of it. Motoring cases come to court with an assumption of guilt, as far as I'm concerned, and booking a big distance away is clearly taking liberties.

I wouldn't do what the OP is proposing, is what I'm getting at, or at least I'd acknowledge that there's a realistic chance of being nabbed and convicted.

As to putting false plates on... that's perverting the course of justice, and if caught you can expect a custodial sentence, although probably suspended.

On risk/rewards, I'd van it.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Over here we find dear flounced T.C spouting "the nearest MOT station by the most direct route" from some imaginary "regs" that he's dreamt up in his crash damaged noggin. Bless.

There's sod all in the statute about distance, but I do actually accept that he's got convictions out of it. Motoring cases come to court with an assumption of guilt, as far as I'm concerned, and booking a big distance away is clearly taking liberties.


I don't know whether I'm just being stupid, but I seem to be unable to find the specific legislation which exempts a vehicle from requiring an MOT at all Embarassed

I can find the VED exemption easily... but I'm at a loss trying to find the MOT exemption. Do you know where it is?
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
Trade plates?

could you not just get it using (a friendly garages) plates?


Trade plates just cover tax. You have to display the original registration plate along side it and have appropriate insurance cover for "Business use". Personal cover won't do it if the cops stop you as they'll say you're using a trade plate for personal use which is disallowed.

No garage in their right mind will lend you a trade plate, they're really cracking down on them these days.
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you could get it delivered by courier, ive used uship twice and its cheaper than hiring a van. Just put your collection and delivery details in and let the couriers bid for the work.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

computid wrote:
Trade plates just cover tax. You have to display the original registration plate along side it and have appropriate insurance cover for "Business use"..


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PostPosted: 01:05 - 13 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyro...You know when you saw my bike at the BBQ...I'd been riding that since May with no MOT. I'd done a tour of Wales. Used motorways and rode it past our local cop shop almost daily.

Not saying what you should do, but saying it is possible....and not worth the hassle if I did get done. Wink

I could've sworn the MOT ran out in September...It was the Insurance that needed renewing in September.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 13 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyro. wrote:
I have good breakdown cover so I'll just get it brought home if theres a problem


Hitchhike up there, collect bike - phone breakdown from guys house - get lift home!
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 13 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:
Get breakdown cover with "home start". Wait a few days or until cover is in effect. Do something to make your bike look genuinely broken down such as flattening a tyre or better yet, mess about with something you know cant be fixed at the roadside (but you know will either be cheap to repair or can be undone yourself). Get the breakdown company to take you to an appropriate garage.


This is by far the most 'legal' and cheap way of doing it. Even better if you have a home start policy which covers a driver for any vehicle.
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