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Skudd
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Smidsy Reply with quote

Well almost, as close as I have been for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMADNZWH9Gs
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too fast, overtaking at a junction.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Filtering speed to high on a road with no escape routes off it in case of emergency.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisty wrote:
Too fast, overtaking at a junction.

Making progress, good observations anticipating vehicle moving out, came off the power in plenty of time, came to a controlled stop without any fuss.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
Making progress, good observations anticipating vehicle moving out, came off the power in plenty of time, came to a controlled stop without any fuss.


Driving at or around the speed limit while filtering is not making good progress, it is suicide.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
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Too fast, overtaking at a junction.

Making progress, good observations anticipating vehicle moving out, came off the power in plenty of time, came to a controlled stop without any fuss.


I beg to differ. You were too quick, also riding in the perfect line of all of the cars blind spots. If you anticipated and slowed down in time it wasnt even nearly a smidsy.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the driver is at fault there because he has obviously decided to take the gap left by the other driver in the queue, without looking properly to see who else is coming. Perhaps the driver in the queue flashed him or waved him out and he decided to go for it.

Your speed wasn't excessive, and you saw him coming with plenty of time to come to a safe stop.

But overtaking traffic approaching a junction on the right (filtering or otherwise) isn't the safest thing to do, because you open yourself up to what happened there (vehicle pulls out from the junction), or one of the vehicles in the queue makes the right turn just as you approach. The car is clearly there at the junction as you approach, so I'd have hung back a little to make sure he'd seen me.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Far too fast for safe filtering IMO.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
Making progress, good observations anticipating vehicle moving out, came off the power in plenty of time, came to a controlled stop without any fuss.


It's not a smidsy then....
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides what everyone is saying about your riding, it really bugs me when people in cars do this. Just pulling out because the closest car to them left a gap and flashed them, they don't look and their only mission in life is to fill that gap!
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:
Besides what everyone is saying about your riding, it really bugs me when people in cars do this. Just pulling out because the closest car to them left a gap and flashed them, they don't look and their only mission in life is to fill that gap!


That car didn't just pull out because it was flashed. It pulled out slowly and safely stopping well in time to not cause an accident.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will also add that the overtaking was too close to all the cars when the whole right lane was empty. No reason to keep so close to the traffic.

Any car movement, open door or pedestrian crossing and you would be fucked in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 15 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
krarkol wrote:
Besides what everyone is saying about your riding, it really bugs me when people in cars do this. Just pulling out because the closest car to them left a gap and flashed them, they don't look and their only mission in life is to fill that gap!


That car didn't just pull out because it was flashed. It pulled out slowly and safely stopping well in time to not cause an accident.


Was it not more to do with the fact that his car couldn't actually fit? Seeing as he was at an angle before OP continued on
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 16 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure of the speed. You can't use the visuals to estimate it, as the camera has a really wide angle lens that exaggerates speed. I tried a calculation based on distance between cars, but I'm only guessing on the distances, and I reckon it was about 20mph. That's not too fast IMO.

But filtering that close to stationary / slowly moving traffic is a lot more dangerous than steadily moving traffic. Queuing traffic attracts the following:

* Pedestrians crossing between cars
* U-turners
* Cars pulling out to do a little "filter" themselves and turn down a side street
* Cars emerging from hidden junctions coming through gaps in the traffic
* And what we saw in the video, cars on the right only looking right - these guys may be pulling out to go either way, but only looking in the wrong direction

I think you stopped safely and in control too, though probably closer than it looks in the video.
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PostPosted: 03:29 - 16 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
I'm not sure of the speed. You can't use the visuals to estimate it,


But you can use the revs of the engine and that the rider had shifted into 2nd. I estimated the speed in the high twenties.
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PostPosted: 05:10 - 16 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fwiw it "felt" fast as I was watching - although that could maybe have been because I was anticipating some near miss moment. OTOH, I personally tend *not* to filter at anything over about 15, and can frequently go down as low as walking speed. Helps to appease those wankers who like to fuck with your day by pulling out to the right slightly. Also, I don't live in London lol.
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PostPosted: 05:32 - 16 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
I'm not sure of the speed. You can't use the visuals to estimate it, as the camera has a really wide angle lens that exaggerates speed. I tried a calculation based on distance between cars, but I'm only guessing on the distances, and I reckon it was about 20mph. That's not too fast IMO.

But filtering that close to stationary / slowly moving traffic is a lot more dangerous than steadily moving traffic. Queuing traffic attracts the following:

* Pedestrians crossing between cars
* U-turners
* Cars pulling out to do a little "filter" themselves and turn down a side street
* Cars emerging from hidden junctions coming through gaps in the traffic
* And what we saw in the video, cars on the right only looking right - these guys may be pulling out to go either way, but only looking in the wrong direction

I think you stopped safely and in control too, though probably closer than it looks in the video.


The average speed between 20 and 29 secs is virtually 22.4mph.

You can calculate it using the spacing of the warning lines:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/223667/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-05.pdf
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 16 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always cover the brake in these situations, had someone do the same to me the other week. I stopped in time safely, but I heard the woman in the car next to me scream! Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 16 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you were going at the top end of what I would call "the safe limit" given the conditions, so the speed was okay. And you managed to stop in control and in plenty of time, the car driver should've seen you from a mile off.

Good obs Thumbs Up , maybe a little slower unless completely dry tarmac next time.
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