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chris-red
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: New Bike build Reply with quote

So a friend of mine upgraded his nearly new Pinarello. Which means I'm buying his cast offs.


This consists of an Ultegra 6700 Groupset (Minus Crank)
The Stock wheels from his Pinerello.
The original Stem, Saddle and seat post.

All this for, wait for it, £170. The parts have less than 100 miles on I think. Laughing

All thats missing is a frame, pedals, handle bars + tape, crank, cables, tires and tubes.


I've been looking at the chinky carbon frames which have a number of great write ups.

I'm looking at a DengFu FM098 which is a clone of a Specialized Venge except about £2200 cheaper.

Any Suggestions from cranks etc.? Anyone have experiences with the chinky frames?
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 21 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frames are reportedly fine but still slightly hit and miss. Id still personally prefer a second hand or sale named frame.

Any crank will do. Get hold of an Ultegra if you can. If not FSA have a large range to suit.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 22 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to buy a chinky frame, did a lot of interwebz research and found very little bad said about them by owners, or in general.

I think they are pretty decent for the cash, and you get something a bit different, too.

I was going to buy a FM-066, I probably may do that in spring, I prefer the straighter lines than the 098.

I was out on a ride a couple of weeks ago, and one chap had just the same bike, which he had built up a couple of weeks before. The quality looked decent - I had a good chance to inspect it, the matt paint was smooth and even, and it looked generally tidy. Weighed fuck all. He was pleased with it.

I'd have no qualms on buying one.
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chris-red
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 28 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right getting things moving although dealing with the chinks is being a PITA.

Frame - DengFu FM098
https://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/668488650/FREE-SHIPPING-HOT-SALES-3K-GLOSSY-FULL-font-b-CARBON-b-font-ROAD-BICYCLE-font-b.jpg

Wheels - Most Wildcat F3
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z17rPLYUg68/T9ejQIUXLUI/AAAAAAAAGYg/dtmFKgNYI6s/s1600/DSCN2276.JPG

Handlebars HB003
https://www.selectchina.com/supplier/240080006/images/Bicycle-Parts-HF-HB003-3-big.jpg

Ultegra Groupset (with Most Brakes)
https://www.totalcycling.com/images/large/3890_4907_132538.jpg

Most Seat & Stem
https://www.dandybike.com/media/import/MOST_OCELOT.jpg
https://www.yellow-limited.com/baase_ftp/Pictures/MOST//TigerUltra3K_White.jpg

Shimano A530
https://www.precisionbikeshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/shimano-pd-a530-pedals.jpg

I haven't decided on tyres yet, I'm thinking maybe some withred highlights I was going to use red cable outers too.

I'm not sure the seat and stem will go with my stealth/red theme but they came with the bits from my mate so will get them on and see. If they don't I'll replace them at the later date. I'm just waiting for pay Deng Fu then I'll order the other bits needed. Getting excited now Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 29 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another morning of emails and I still haven't ordered the frame Rolling Eyes

They'll hopefully be sending me and invoice tomorrow. Although now I don't know if it'll arrive before I go on holiday in 2 weeks time, so the build may commence toward the start of october.
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 30 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

For tyres, forget looks and get a set of Continental Gatorskin Hardshells. Best tyres I have used.
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PostPosted: 00:10 - 30 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do those bars fit that stem? i.e. is the tube cylindrical in the middle - doesn't look like it is in the pic, just wondering.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 30 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:
Do those bars fit that stem? i.e. is the tube cylindrical in the middle - doesn't look like it is in the pic, just wondering.


I think (hope) it's just a trick of the light.

I have finally managed to pay them and this should be shipping out next week!
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 09 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick question for you mate, why am I not seeing hydraulic discs on modern high end racers?
Is it a weight issue?
I've always had the nasty thought in my head that long sustained rim braking on a fast downhill section could heat up the rim so much that the inner tube explodes, or am I talking a load of shit? Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 11 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:16 - 11 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Quick question for you mate, why am I not seeing hydraulic discs on modern high end racers?
Is it a weight issue?
I've always had the nasty thought in my head that long sustained rim braking on a fast downhill section could heat up the rim so much that the inner tube explodes, or am I talking a load of shit? Laughing


I imagine it is weight, I have a reasonable hydraulic set up Deore (LX) on my MTB and the cheapest caliper set up on my other road bike and the road bike brakes are much lighter.

Also it isn't really necessary, assuming there aren't traffic lights I rarely need to brake and it would only be twisty downhill sections you would need to be on them a lot.

There has only been one moment where I thought my cheapo road bike brakes weren't strong as I would like and 18stone of me was doing 40 something MPH Downhill, I hit the brakes and had to pull really hard and still wasn't slowing down as quick as I'd like, I imagine a TdF rider will be a lot lighter with a lighter bike and better brakes wouldn't have a problem.

As for the heat, I image the wheel itself cools quick it is basically a giant heatsink moving fast through the air.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rim brakes allow lighter wheels too, as the spokes are not required to transmit the braking force to the tyre.

Bit like those Buells.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Quick question for you mate, why am I not seeing hydraulic discs on modern high end racers?
Is it a weight issue?
I've always had the nasty thought in my head that long sustained rim braking on a fast downhill section could heat up the rim so much that the inner tube explodes, or am I talking a load of shit? Laughing

Main issue was actually making it compatible with the current bars/shifter set ups without alienating people. This has been addressed and most manufacturers are now bringing out Disc braked road bikes.

The weight isnt an issue for racing as the rest of the bike can be built so light now. I beleive that it doesnt fall within the UCI rules to have discs on a road bike for now, this is expected to change in the near future.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You reckon discs will take over?
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 12 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, after reading this article, it appears that what I said was utter bollocks.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 13 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:
Rim brakes allow lighter wheels too, as the spokes are not required to transmit the braking force to the tyre.

Bit like those Buells.

Nah, you're correct. Can't have radial spoking with disc brakes, epic fail would ensue. You HAVE to use a cross pattern with discs.

What I don't understand is why they put conventional front callipers (and indeed v-brake mounts) in front of the forks and not behind them. You make a really aerodynamic, teardrop cross-section fork then bolt a brake calliper in front if it. Doesn't even make sense in an engineering capacity because the braking force is trying to pull the calliper off the fork, not push it against the fork. They stopped mounting motorcycle brake callipers on the front of the fork leg in the 1970's for this exact reason.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 13 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frame arrive yesterday and I'm quite impressed, the quality is as I have hoped and it weights fuck all. The internal cabling is good and a breeze to set up.

I've got the bike mostly set up although I still need brakes and bar tape.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1175651_10151828291063476_2046165691_n.jpg

Only picture I have as I was losing light.

I'll get more pics up when it is done.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 14 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks really cool. I like how flat everything looks, the white and red bits are good highlights as well.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1234107_10151836113958476_458549336_n.jpg

All finished now, I took her for the maiden voyage and it is a good ride, a few minor tweaks needed for comfort, but other than that it is great, total weight is a bit over 8kg. It is a VERY stiff frame any slight imperfections in the road and you really feel it!
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Doesn't even make sense in an engineering capacity because the braking force is trying to pull the calliper off the fork, not push it against the fork. They stopped mounting motorcycle brake callipers on the front of the fork leg in the 1970's for this exact reason.


It makes perfect engineering sense.

First there is no clearance behind the forks for cable routing, take a look at flat land BMX's and odyssey gyro's for how they get around this. Second reason is brakes behind the fork are prone to damage from road debris, third reason is brakes self servo when against the rim behind the forks and forth reason is the fork legs dissipate water away from the brakes.

Incidently motorcycle calipers are mounted behind the forks to stop them affecting the steering weight not because of the mounting strength.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks sweet, you've even stolen my colour theme, bastard.

Hoods look too far on top of the bars, and consequently your bars are rotated too far down to compensate. Annoyingly you are going to have to take all the fucking tape off to sort it!

Does need a black stem, just get one from fleabay, you know it makes sense.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:


It makes perfect engineering sense.

First there is no clearance behind the forks for cable routing, take a look at flat land BMX's and odyssey gyro's for how they get around this. Second reason is brakes behind the fork are prone to damage from road debris, third reason is brakes self servo when against the rim behind the forks and forth reason is the fork legs dissipate water away from the brakes.

Incidently motorcycle calipers are mounted behind the forks to stop them affecting the steering weight not because of the mounting strength.

https://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2011/06/23/1308907342201-hri5rk1e1bti-670-75.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I echo that, shifters too high and the bars facing downwards. Also the saddle is not level. The rest looks very good.

p.s. you are one lucky bugger to get ultegra and the bits for 170.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
https://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2011/06/23/1308907342201-hri5rk1e1bti-670-75.jpg


That is a lot of extra complexity for what benefit? Doesn't really do what you suggested, and I bet getting those blocks centred perfectly and striking at the same time is a bastard.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 18 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:

That is a lot of extra complexity for what benefit? Doesn't really do what you suggested, and I bet getting those blocks centred perfectly and striking at the same time is a bastard.


Aerodynamics I'd imagine.

If aero spokes are worth having, that setup definately is.

If you look at rear callipers, they are mounted behind the frame.
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