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PostPosted: 13:33 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Drunk people to be put in 'drunk tanks' - £400 exit fee. Reply with quote

Title says it all really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24135219

It has been suggested that people who are too drunk should be taken and held in 'drunk tanks', where they have to stay until they're a bit more sober and then pay £400 to be let out.

The thing that pisses me off most is that these 'drunk tanks' are going to be operated by a private company, rather than by HM government.

Once again the decision makers are having ideas sold to them by those with vested financial interests.

Top copper [BBC article] wrote:
Why don't we take them to a drunk cell owned by a commercial company and get the commercial company to look after them during the night until they are sober?

"When that is over, we will issue them with a fixed penalty and the company will be able to charge them for their care, which would be at quite significant cost and that might be a significant deterrent


Errrrr no. Why don't you stop parroting the private company's sales pitch and leave people to look after themselves and deal with their own problems?

Quite insane really. If I drink myself to a stupor and end up being held by a private company and charged for my freedom... well I'm pretty sure that's a form of kidnap and ransom..?

Rant over...


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PostPosted: 13:36 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only hope the TV crews are ready for the time The Right Honourable Eric Joyce MP is being bundled in to the drunk tank and the next day when the git is paying to 'be set free' Bet the cunt would claim the £400 back on expenses. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope they don't put one anywhere near me. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what happens if you don't have £400?
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
So what happens if you don't have £400?


If you can't pay then its into the G4S gas chamber.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
So what happens if you don't have £400?


Free holiday,
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see it happening, the charges would be unenforceable .

If you're drunk enough for the police to think you're a danger to yourself, you can't be considered of sound enough mind to make the decision to accept the fees for the stay.

If the police tell you you're going there or else, you're under duress.

Also, what if you're knackered, diabetic, autistic etc? Could the police force you to go there because you "appear" drunk?

If the law were changed to make the fees enforceable, it could pave the way for legal extortion...

There are a myriad of other problems with this proposal, and the police federation even said it isn't viable!
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does ACPO Plc mouthpiece Chief Constable Adrian Lee perchance have a brother-in-law who completely co-incidentally happens to be poised to provide a drunk-tank service?

Wormtongue wrote:
When [they are sober] we will issue them with a fixed penalty.

M'kay.

Wormtail wrote:
[A different] Acpo [Plc] spokeswoman said the measure would only apply to those drunks who were a danger to themselves - those who had committed a crime would be taken to a police cell

M'kay.

So, if they haven't "committed a crime", what would the "fixed penalty" be for? And indeed what would the police's interest be in them?

When I were a lad, coppers had a much more effective way of dealing with this problem. I used to live in a flat backing onto St Andrews police station cells and the howls of drunks getting a good shoeing on a Friday and Saturday night were fit to wake the dead.

I'm glad to say that barbaric practice has been stopped by modern custody procedures, and of course that's also solved the problem of pissheads going on drunken rampages... Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

So, if they haven't "committed a crime", what would the "fixed penalty" be for? And indeed what would the police's interest be in them?


being drunk is the crime.

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Apprehension of person found drunk and incapable in public place.If a person is found drunk in any highway or other public place, whether a building or not, or on any licensed premises, and appears to be incapable of taking care of himself, he may be apprehended and dealt with according to law.


https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw7/2/28/part/I


i say sod 'em. if they get so drunk they can't take care of themselves it's their own tough shit
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

So, if they haven't "committed a crime", what would the "fixed penalty" be for? And indeed what would the police's interest be in them?


being drunk is the crime.



I think that is Rog's point. If they have commited a crime then they proceed straight to a Police Cell. So who goes to a drunk tank if everyone drunk enough to, is effectively commiting a crime?
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably more the fact they don't want a load of drunks taking up room in the cells so they'd prefer to deal with them in another location as long as they weren't a danger to themselves or others (violence)

they have run places like this for years where trained paramedics pick up these drunks and take them to a place to be cared for until they sober up. the only difference is they now want to charge them for taking up these peoples time. which in my mind is fair enough.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 22 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
probably more the fact they don't want a load of drunks taking up room in the cells so they'd prefer to deal with them in another location as long as they weren't a danger to themselves or others (violence)

they have run places like this for years where trained paramedics pick up these drunks and take them to a place to be cared for until they sober up. the only difference is they now want to charge them for taking up these peoples time. which in my mind is fair enough.


You're completely missing the point here...

If someone commits a crime then the police book them for it. If not, they are free to go.

This proposal is completely contrary to our justice system - the police essentially give you no right to defend yourself. If they don't like the cut of your jib and there's a night in the tank and a £400 fine with your name on it.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 22 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll tell you how it will work.

Some relative of the Chief Constable will set up a Drunk Hotel.

After a few months, Chief-Constable-In-Law will send a memo saying "To continue facilitating this facility going forwardsing, a guaranteitude of 90% utilisationing is requiremented."

In other words: sweep up 20 or so of the usual suspects each night, every night, or lose the drunk tank. Regardless of how lathered they actually are.

And that's how private-public-partnerships work.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 22 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
In other words: sweep up 20 or so of the usual suspects each night, every night, or lose the drunk tank. Regardless of how lathered they actually are.

And that's how private-public-partnerships work.


It's got be great to for removing protestors you don't like too, and getting them out of the way when convenient. Pack em in, remove the temporary problem, and cash in to boot. Bonus!

"They'll never do that", scream the usual retardos. Just give em time and watch em. You have to admire imaginative criminality paraded as law enforcement. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 22 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem as I see it. Punishment for alcoholism is a bit hypocritical when it is a legalised form of abuse to begin with. Smoking is treated slightly less so - fags are for sale in shops but 'drug' use is banned in all public areas. Probably due to the massive revenue raising capability of the industry, drinking establishments are commonplace. You can't smoke anywhere but can drink almost everywhere. So we allow guys and gals to get pissed legally and then say 'whoa you've had too much of the stuff we allowed you to have so now we are going to punish you for it' Thinking . Either stop giving licences to drinking establishmnets and fine illegal drunks or continue and put up with the problem local authorities actively encourage with government backing.
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 22 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an offence to sell or attempt to sell alcohol to a person who is drunk, or to allow alcohol to be sold to such a person on relevant premises.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/licensing_of_alcohol/#sale

If selling alcohol to drunk people wasn't so profitable, that law could be enforced.
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 23 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:30 - 23 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
It's an offence to sell or attempt to sell alcohol to a person who is drunk, or to allow alcohol to be sold to such a person on relevant premises.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/licensing_of_alcohol/#sale

If selling alcohol to drunk people wasn't so profitable, that law could be enforced.


The only problem is the term drunk... Can anyone give a hard and fast definition?

Some people are obviously drunk and I stopped serving them. It was rare - basically when people were too pished to order, but many* would argue that some people are drunk after 3 pints.

My slightly malformed point is that 'drunk' is a grey area and fixed penalties don't work on grey areas. Sure, the argument will be "we'll only put people who are really bad in the drunk tanks... we're not targeting people on a nice night out... only those who are disorderly". But, just like S59s it'll be misused.


*who read the daily mail and also get very agitated when it was them being on the receiving end of no service.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 23 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking I can see the old dodge clamping firms wanting to be reborn for some of this money action.

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After all didn't these need you to pay cash for release of your property that they'd effectively stolen (but we don't mean to deprive you of it so it's not theft then, is it officer).
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 23 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
The only problem is the term drunk... Can anyone give a hard and fast definition?

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PostPosted: 10:30 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same old shite. So long as politicians believe it's something that won't affect the vast majority of them they'll be more than willing to inflict it on everyone else. The stalinist political mindset has been alive and well in this country for decades.

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PostPosted: 18:32 - 26 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can see this seriously being abused Confused

What if some copper just doesn't like my face when I've left a pub after a couple of pints?

Sounds like an S.59 for drunks.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 26 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Some relative of the Chief Constable will set up a Drunk Hotel.


Probably the ACPO would set it up. Doesn't sound quite so obviously fraudulent and they already have form for coming up with official sounding schemes to scam money.

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PostPosted: 20:11 - 26 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:
Can see this seriously being abused Confused

What if some copper just doesn't like my face when I've left a pub after a couple of pints?

Sounds like an S.59 for drunks.


An S.91 then?
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 27 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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krarkol wrote:
Can see this seriously being abused Confused

What if some copper just doesn't like my face when I've left a pub after a couple of pints?

Sounds like an S.59 for drunks.


An S.91 then?


Isn't that for if a minor does something that an adult could get a custodial sentence for? Confused
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