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PostPosted: 00:43 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: The evolution of the eye Reply with quote
https://www.wimp.com/evolutioneye/

Very nice explanation Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's good. Just a shame they used Dawkins, they should have found someone more credible (or likable).
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
tbourner wrote:
It's good. Just a shame they used Dawkins, they should have found someone more credible (or likable).


Credible? Ignore his media-whoring and he's actually the most eminent evolutionary biologist since Darwin. His book 'the selfish gene' changed the understanding of how genetics works (gene-centred, not organism centred as Darwin suggested). His name will forever be linked with the subject, and his silly arguments with the religious will be forgotten in time.

Likeable is separate subject...
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pricks like Dawkin are unable to grasp that evolution works only because it has and adheres to a pre-programmed ruleset. Neither does he ever ask the how and the why. Stunted mind giving it large; really very pathetic how little is required to make it in this world.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I find it amazing the way he has coped with his illness but find listening to his voice synthesizer difficult after a while.

both credible and likeable.

tbourner wrote:
It's good. Just a shame they used Dawkins, they should have found someone more credible (or likable).

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PostPosted: 10:03 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
Pricks like Dawkin are unable to grasp that evolution works only because it has and adheres to a pre-programmed ruleset. Neither does he ever ask the how and the why. Stunted mind giving it large; really very pathetic how little is required to make it in this world.

Huh? Are you saying that 'God' is making evolution happen?
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
daemonoid wrote:
tbourner wrote:
It's good. Just a shame they used Dawkins, they should have found someone more credible (or likable).


Credible? Ignore his media-whoring and he's actually the most eminent evolutionary biologist since Darwin. His book 'the selfish gene' changed the understanding of how genetics works (gene-centred, not organism centred as Darwin suggested). His name will forever be linked with the subject, and his silly arguments with the religious will be forgotten in time.

Likeable is separate subject...


The Selfish Gene was his only good work, since then he's done nothing but proselityze religious types. He comes across as an atheist extremist. I'd rather listen to Rowan Williams than Dawkin.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
tbourner wrote:
The Selfish Gene was his only good work, since then he's done nothing but proselityze religious types. He comes across as an atheist extremist. I'd rather listen to Rowan Williams than Dawkin.


Add to that 'the extended phenotype' and almost all of his papers...

I agree that he's a semi-religious nut, but there are plenty of those in the annals of science (Newton was one of them, he devoted half his life to alchemy).

Scientific contribution and personal ideals are separate in my mind. I wish the same were true in politics.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 24 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I for one am not aware of his past nuttish behaviour so I just watched this video without any bias, which might be why I enjoyed it so much Thumbs Up
Do I think it's odd and hard to believe that evolution has just happened randomly? Yes. Do I think there is a God who programmed it all? Fuck no
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 25 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
Pricks like Dawkin are unable to grasp that evolution works only because it has and adheres to a pre-programmed ruleset. Neither does he ever ask the how and the why. Stunted mind giving it large; really very pathetic how little is required to make it in this world.


Wow really? Well you should really get your research submitted, reviewed and I look forward to seeing you claim your Nobel prize!
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 25 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tungtvann wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
Pricks like Dawkin are unable to grasp that evolution works only because it has and adheres to a pre-programmed ruleset. Neither does he ever ask the how and the why. Stunted mind giving it large; really very pathetic how little is required to make it in this world.

Huh? Are you saying that 'God' is making evolution happen?


Not directly. The universe is a consciously created mechanism which is programmed in order to allow certain things to happen, such as the evolution of life. Consciousness is then able to experience and express itself through it.
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There is no why. We are here out of chance. Nothing is designed, things just happened. Any questions as to why we're here is simply the idea that we are better than the other animals and plants and everything else in the solar system and the universe. We, just like beavers are alive and we die.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 25 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
Not directly. The universe is a consciously created mechanism which is programmed in order to allow certain things to happen, such as the evolution of life. Consciousness is then able to experience and express itself through it.


Well thanks for clearing that up. Somebody should tell the scientists that they can all go home now, Hetzer's cracked it.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 25 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
MattJ wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
Not directly. The universe is a consciously created mechanism which is programmed in order to allow certain things to happen, such as the evolution of life. Consciousness is then able to experience and express itself through it.


Well thanks for clearing that up. Somebody should tell the scientists that they can all go home now, Hetzer's cracked it.


Aye. Laughing

But we still need the scientists to invent new toys. Exclamation
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 26 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
tbourner wrote:
The Selfish Gene was his only good work, since then he's done nothing but proselityze religious types. He comes across as an atheist extremist. I'd rather listen to Rowan Williams than Dawkin.
And therein lies the difference between science and woo.

Science doesn't care whether you want to spend time with it, nor whether you're comfortable with it, or whether it fits your world view. It just tells you how it is (Or what the current evidence points to) whether you like is or not is immaterial.

Woo on the other hand needs to engage with what you want to be true, because there's nothing else going for it.

Prominent theologians especially old school Anglicans always come across quite well, but then they've spent a lifetime selling a lie.
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 26 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
stigger wrote:
tbourner wrote:
The Selfish Gene was his only good work, since then he's done nothing but proselityze religious types. He comes across as an atheist extremist. I'd rather listen to Rowan Williams than Dawkin.
And therein lies the difference between science and woo.

Science doesn't care whether you want to spend time with it, nor whether you're comfortable with it, or whether it fits your world view. It just tells you how it is (Or what the current evidence points to) whether you like is or not is immaterial.

Woo on the other hand needs to engage with what you want to be true, because there's nothing else going for it.

Prominent theologians especially old school Anglicans always come across quite well, but then they've spent a lifetime selling a lie.


Science most certainly does care what you think. Mainly when it's after free public grant money.
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