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daz_d_biker
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Blood bikes? Reply with quote

Touchy touchy, it's a charity. So I'm thinking of raising some money for them.

I've read a bit of bad press about them on this site and I'd like some opinions on the charity before I go out of my way to raise money for them.

Don't worry I won't be asking for any money on the forum!

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Blood bikes? Reply with quote

daz_d_biker wrote:
I've read a bit of bad press about them on this site and I'd like some opinions on the charity before I go out of my way to raise money for them.

Where's that then?
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Dorra Charidees? They're scvm.

Blood Bikes are allright in my book Thumbs Up

(For now. I'm sure the Good ol' BCF collective will find a way to crumble any sort of faith I have in them Laughing )
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Blood bikes? Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
daz_d_biker wrote:
I've read a bit of bad press about them on this site and I'd like some opinions on the charity before I go out of my way to raise money for them.

Where's that then?


There was a thing where posers were riding liveried blood bikes for their own group, but the closest they have come to delivering any blood is getting a nosebleed or binning a tampon.

EDIT: About 3/4 the way down.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=273339


Other than that, a few other comments in that same thread, but nothing massively damning that I am aware of.


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PostPosted: 15:15 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Blood bikes? Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:

There was a thing where a load of posers were riding liveried blood bikes for their own blood group, but the closest they have come to delivering any blood is getting a nosebleed or binning a tampon.


Care to elaborate? About them not delivering blood?
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Blood bikes? Reply with quote

daz_d_biker wrote:
DrDonnyBrago wrote:

There was a thing where a load of posers were riding liveried blood bikes for their own blood group, but the closest they have come to delivering any blood is getting a nosebleed or binning a tampon.


Care to elaborate? About them not delivering blood?


Check the thread in my edit.


That's the only thread I am aware of where there was a bit of blood bike slating, and that was pretty minimal.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spoke in quite some depth with a few of the senior people in my local group a couple of years back as i was considering trying to get involved myself, sadly it turned out after much conversation and planning of what i needed to join - i was missing a key point of being 24 or over for insurance purposes, so that put the whole thing out the window at that time Thumbs Down

Really nice bunch from what i experienced, i'd say they're a great choice

And they definately serve a good purpose [and do deliver the blood Laughing ] see them buzzing in and out at my hospital all the time Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually referring to this thread- https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=271365

Thanks for the replies. They seem ok to me so far. I'm just very wary of where the money actually goes! Charities don't seem to give masses of information on how much money is used for what. Always makes me think that someone, somewhere is getting rich off it!
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i woudlnt mind joining but i dont think i would get far on a CG

im still waiting for funds to do my license for my bandito....

this time next year
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
i woudlnt mind joining but i dont think i would get far on a CG

They provide the bikes fueled and ready, in my area at least - fairly sure its standard practice though. So your CG can have a day off Razz

Only costs for yourself are the advanced training requirements which you have to foot the bill for, but then I wouldn't mind paying for some more of that stuff at some point either way so its not really an expense in my mind.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, it entirely depends on the group.

Some of them are asking for money for bikes and fuel in order to taxi patient notes around. Sure, they're saving the NHS money that would otherwise go to taxi drivers, but it's chump change to overall NHS budgets - I'll never notice the difference in my tax bill.

The other consideration is that they're ensuring that professional bike couriers aren't going to get steady work out of it.

Then there's the likes of ScotERVS who have got themselves classed as proper emergency vehicles and can and do ride with blues and twos delivering actual medical ickies.

I've stuffed some folding money in their tins, because the ones that I talked to were nice folks and good things should happen to nice folks. But I'd prefer it if the NHS just employed them outright, like the Air Ambulance in Scotchland, and I rather suspect that they'd like that too.

Apologies for being less ranty than usual about this issue. Granted, it does boil down to "Pay for my fun", but I don't think there are any lottery-win-salary CEO's hiding in the accounts to provoke a proper rageface.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must just be lucky with them in my area Praying

Fair point about the motorcycle couriers work side of things actually, i'd guess for the times they're required to take medical supplies like the blood etc would couriers not be 'trusted' due to the nature of the material, perhaps why its favourable to have them as a dedicated service Question They were quite strict about what was required to join when I enquired also regards rider training and standards etc, presumably to reduce the risk of someone sliding one of their bikes down the road and putting it out of action for a week Rolling Eyes

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Granted, it does boil down to "Pay for my fun",

I must admit it was something that interests me as 'fun' aside from the 'helping out' aspect of it, just figured if i'm going to aimlessly ride about half the time, might as well do it taking things somewhere useful on occasion Laughing And they do have nice bikes Drooling

Definately seem a nice bunch though, all the ones round here are happy to chat at the lights and give nods to everyone.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 20 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked their website to see about volunteering for my local area but it seems that Kent doesn't yet have an established group. I'm going to contact them anyway and see if there is anything on the horizon. Apparently you can do it on your own bike as long as you have a rack or topbox plate on the back.

Blood bikes are OK in my book Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 25 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
I checked their website to see about volunteering for my local area but it seems that Kent doesn't yet have an established group. I'm going to contact them anyway and see if there is anything on the horizon. Apparently you can do it on your own bike as long as you have a rack or topbox plate on the back.

Blood bikes are OK in my book Thumbs Up


Kent does have a long established and very active group. There are some SERV owned response vehicles but most volunteers use their own bikes and cars and new members are always welcome.

Further information on the website https://www.serv-kent.moonfruit.com
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 25 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

How would your insurance look at this? Would they deem it as being a courier? So would you expect to pay higher premiums?
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 25 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:
How would your insurance look at this? Would they deem it as being a courier? So would you expect to pay higher premiums?


I understand that SERV Kent have an arrangement with an insurance company that covers this if you insure through them. In my case, I spoke to my insurance company and they said that they regard it as charity work which is covered by my policy - I had already specified business use so I'm not sure if this is a factor.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 25 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:
How would your insurance look at this? Would they deem it as being a courier? So would you expect to pay higher premiums?


Insurance companies only consider it courier work if you get paid over and above your costs. In general if they are informed that you are doing charitable work then they add it to your policy for free but the point is to always inform them.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 25 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SERV is okay, pretty well organised on a shoestring, so they could do with the money. I was gonna do runs for them, but other stuff got in the way and I only did one.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 26 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride for Devon Freewheelers https://bloodbikes.org Great group of friendly people. Most of the time I use my own (wife's ER6) bike. Not for fair weather bikers though. Contact your local group and get involved. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 26 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Business does NOT equal courier insurance. I have business because i reclaim petrol cost and travel to various places for work/uni. I couldn't courier with business insurance alone.

Sure Marmalade and others can clarify/correct me.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 26 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mk1GSF wrote:
I've heard from someone who does the BloodBike work that the insurance told them they would have to have business use put on their policy. Thumbs Down


So maybe they should change their insurance company or maybe they are doing it for business.

Read this.
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