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PostPosted: 00:10 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: The future grandfather of the nanobots. Reply with quote

Cool As Fuck!
https://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/simple-scheme-for-self-assembling-robots-1004.html
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: The future grandfather of the nanobots. Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Re: The future grandfather of the nanobots.

I believe the term would be 'of the replicators' Wink.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice hype, but a flywheel in a box with magnets on it, is a way off being grey goo.

At the moment, it's a box that can jump.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hence "Future Grandfather" and dont forget penicillin was just a bit of mould....
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
At the moment, it's a box that can jump.

It's also a significant step towards solving some of the less trivial problems that surround self-assembling hardware. You are, of course, welcome to show them how it's done.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can't miniaturise that to the nano scale, it just won't work, they have to do all sorts of things differently to build MEMS let alone NEMS, but it is an awesome idea, very clever. No doubt it will be made a lot smaller than it is now; imagine thousands of them all 1mm wide! Then they'll learn things from that and maybe use some of the principles in the next level down.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
colin1 wrote:
At the moment, it's a box that can jump.

It's also a trivial step towards the sci-fi concept of self-assembling hardware.


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nowhere.elysium wrote:
You are, of course, welcome to show them how it's done.


I'm not skilled at putting flywheels with motors into boxes with magnets, I'm quite happy to leave them with their jumping boxes and grand claims.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Hence "Future Grandfather" and dont forget penicillin was just a bit of mould....


Yeah a lot of development to get from the mould to penicillin. Not all mould leads to penicillin and not all jumping boxes lead to anything more than jumping boxes.

You could argue it's a start, but it's still just a jumping box with the idea attached that one day it could lead to a lot more which it probably won't.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin....
Most of the technology we use today stems from Sci-fi.
Tablets, mobile phones, laptops etc etc

It would be pretty cool to issue the "be a chair" command to these modules and to watch them do it.

I am wondering what "grand claims" you speak of though, all I noticed was the creators saying "we hope to do this and that in the future"

Dont be such a pessimistic cock. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

still just a jumping box at the moment
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: The future grandfather of the nanobots. Reply with quote

G wrote:
I believe the term would be 'of the replicators' Wink.

Say it right...

https://images.wikia.com/stargate/images/archive/2/23/20080329165912!Thor.jpg

Replicatorrrrs.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Colin....
Most of the technology we use today stems from Sci-fi.
Tablets, mobile phones, laptops etc etc


Nothing separates those three items, and the only worthwhile advancements are only being made in those very products.

Where's my hover car?

Where's my free renewable energy?

Where's my holographic porn generator?

The video in the OP is the typical whet-your-appetite bollocks that's been churned out since the sixties.

It's like when you get announcements on the mainstream news that "Scientists have discovered a gene/drug/Mcguffin for curing cancer/missing limbs/alzheimers/paralysis etc which MAY lead to a possible cure within the next thirty years."

Well how about you keep your barely researched shit under fucking wraps until then instead of causing at first, elation, and shortly after, crushing disappointment, in those poor souls afflicted by such things?

Instead of whoreing out videos of your barely-there work just to collect private funding.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed - or good Sci-Fi tries to predict the future.

While I'm sure plenty of the people involved in these products are Sci-Fi fanys, I'd be confident these products would have come about regardless.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what are they for?
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
So what are they for?


teh lolz.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
So what are they for?

What are you for? Thinking

What am I for? Shocked
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 05 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 cannot distinguish between this

https://content5.videojug.com/59/591edeef-9f90-48ff-a580-ff0008c8de0f/how-to-clean-a-kitchen-sink-so-it-shines.WidePlayer.jpg

and this

https://yaph.co.uk/bathrooms/7%20Rolltop%20bath%20-%20after.640x516.jpg

His comments are invalid.
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 06 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: The future grandfather of the nanobots. Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
G wrote:
I believe the term would be 'of the replicators' Wink.

Say it right...

https://images.wikia.com/stargate/images/archive/2/23/20080329165912!Thor.jpg

Replicatorrrrs.


Thor FTW !
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 06 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin, does it take you effort to be this obtuse, or is it a natural condition?
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 06 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
Where's my hover car?
Given how most of the population struggles to control a vehicle that's moving in two dimensions, do you really want to see what happens when they've got three full axes of movement?

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Where's my free renewable energy?
Point well made.

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Where's my holographic porn generator?
3D TV, Oculus Rift, or even finding a real woman that'll allow you to smoosh genitals with her - that's pretty immersive, too.

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The video in the OP is the typical whet-your-appetite bollocks that's been churned out since the sixties.

It's like when you get announcements on the mainstream news that "Scientists have discovered a gene/drug/Mcguffin for curing cancer/missing limbs/alzheimers/paralysis etc which MAY lead to a possible cure within the next thirty years."

Well how about you keep your barely researched shit under fucking wraps until then instead of causing at first, elation, and shortly after, crushing disappointment, in those poor souls afflicted by such things?
No-one successfully goes from concept -> production in one go, and it's often public interest that starts to elicit the funding to finish the research. Until we've got governmental structures that sink vast sums into pure research ( as opposed to the merely large sums that are currently applied), researchers will still go to the public to stir up interest.

I'm also still of the opinion that biology is one of the core areas of science that requires the most improvement of our techniques - the body's a squishy machine with so many complex bits, and we still don't know how all of them interrelate, or how to influence the smaller parts of it without completely throwing everything else out of whack. We're improving, but we're still at the stage of cutting into people, or introducing wide-effect chemicals to deal with precise problems.

As for the jumping boxes; in of themselves, they're not much use. I don't refute that. What I do see, though, is that they're a stepping-stone to potentially far more flexible and useful technologies. Macroscale magnetic control leads to microscale magnetic control, which can (I hope) lead us to nanoscale magnetic control - this potentially gets us to the point of having microscopic self-assembly, which can then be dismantled readily. Given the speed at which technology has been successfully miniaturised over the past few decades, this could well be a viable start to making things like micro and nano assemblers actually happen.

Don't get me wrong, I like old man Steptoe's inference that we should just be able to go from zero to fully functional gray goo - that would speed up the evolution of so many technologies beautifully, but that said, I do find it hard to take his opinions at face value, given his love of expressing the luddite stance.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 06 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea if we already have free energy but the oil cartel scum are keeping it buried or if we're still missing that vital discovery. Either way, until we get that up and running they can shove little jumping boxes up their kazoo.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 06 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Either way, until we get that up and running they can shove little jumping boxes up their kazoo.


The modules are controlled via wireless comms, what shape would you like them to become?

Laughing
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Rob Fzs wrote:
Sweet, one more step for lazy button pressers to have machines that will eventually become self aware and enslave humanity, it's cool now, but when there's no jobs left because everything is automated, people will think, why did we do this to ourselves.

imma glad i'll be dead once this monster is at full capacity, recklessness in the name of 'intelligence' and profit.


So, Rob, you are blaming technology for there being no jobs rather than the greedy fat cats for not using the technology in a way that helps society?

It is easy to increase production, have humans work a 3day week, pay humans the same wage and still increase profits.

But until money is no longer the driving force of society, the full benefit of technology will never be seen.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 06 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
Sweet, one more step for lazy button pressers to have machines that will eventually become self aware and enslave humanity, it's cool now, but when there's no jobs left because everything is automated, people will think, why did we do this to ourselves.

imma glad i'll be dead once this monster is at full capacity, recklessness in the name of 'intelligence' and profit.

So, you set a good example, by make a point of avoiding automation wherever possible?
No using supermarkets? Computers... the intern... oh, wait a minute Razz.


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It is easy to increase production, have humans work a 3day week, pay humans the same wage and still increase profits.

Is it?
The vast majority of companies do rather care about profits.
Especially when it also means reducing running costs (paying the same sure, but their resources are only being used for 3/7ths of a week rather than 5/7th, so less services such as electricity and cleaning being used.
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