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Snorty
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: GSXR 4th gear gone... Reply with quote

So... riding along, the bike starts making a grinding noise and jumping back and forth kangarooing...

Sure enough, I go through each gear and gun it, only 4th is affected.

What do? It's scrap.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't use 4th
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red line 3rd, change to 5th.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be worried about all the probable bits of shrapnel getting into the cylinders/bores/rods etc.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
I'd be worried about all the probable bits of shrapnel getting into the cylinders/bores/rods etc.


That's what I'm worried about to be honest.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

gearbox out and remove and replace 3rd

Don't ride it from not til you do it.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a replacement engine for about £350.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQL wrote:
gearbox out and remove and replace 3rd

Don't ride it from not til you do it.


Hmm, I can't see replacing 3rd helping much when it's 4th that's affected. Wink
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
SQL wrote:
gearbox out and remove and replace 3rd

Don't ride it from not til you do it.


Hmm, I can't see replacing 3rd helping much when it's 4th that's affected. Wink


Extended 3rd gear = don't need forth Mr. Green Thumbs Up

Or I cocked up Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQL wrote:


Extended 3rd gear = don't need forth Mr. Green Thumbs Up

Or I cocked up Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 22:41 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for the replacement engine but I can't even find any on eBay, sadly! '98 SRAD injection model so a bit rarer.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 09 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

20 tooth front sprocket, never come out of first?
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PostPosted: 05:50 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
I'd go for the replacement engine but I can't even find any on eBay, sadly! '98 SRAD injection model so a bit rarer.


Same engine as the carbed one.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

just so you lot know, I stripped 5th gear about 3k miles back. I dropped the oil, changed the filter, and although i didnt cut the filter open, i didn't see any obvious shrapnel. the oil was actually much cleaner than the previous oil change.

Been riding it since and it's been okay.

Just change the oils mate, flush the engine, change filter and you are sorted.

if its a bike worth spending on then get the gearbox changed, otherwise just ride it.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Snorty wrote:
I'd go for the replacement engine but I can't even find any on eBay, sadly! '98 SRAD injection model so a bit rarer.


Same engine as the carbed one.


Same internals? Pistons, clearances, cams etc?
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd sort it out if I was you. If a gearbox isn't selecting all gears properly you can end up with it locking up on you while you're riding, which isn't funny and will do even more damage maybe knackering the engine cases or a shaft say as well as causing a potential accident for you. Supposedly a bent selector fork and/or worn dogs on the relevant gears is preventing you getting fourth gear.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:
I'd sort it out if I was you. If a gearbox isn't selecting all gears properly you can end up with it locking up on you while you're riding, which isn't funny and will do even more damage maybe knackering the engine cases or a shaft say as well as causing a potential accident for you. Supposedly a bent selector fork and/or worn dogs on the relevant gears is preventing you getting fourth gear.


Yeah I had my 125 lock up on me at 80mph. Wasn't a fun experience.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is kind of an open-ended question, but what am I looking at to get this sorted at a garage? Ball park figure.

Other than the gearbox, the engine is pretty decent for its mileage, no rattles or tapping, and pulls very nicely, so I'd like to repair it. I don't have the knowledge or the tools to do this myself unfortunately.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd expect at least £500 but probably much more? The gear and selector forks new will cost a couple of hundred pounds. May be more economical and easier to simply get a replacement engine and fit it if you don't want to do the work yourself.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a second hand engine it could be in any state that's my only aversion to doing that. I don't mind paying around £500-£600 to get this sorted whether that's a new engine or a gearbox rebuild. I have the money, I just don't know which route to go down.

If I can get the second hand bits is a garage likely be willing to fit? I'm guessing if so they won't guarantee the work...
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did 2.5k round europe without a fourth gear on my old zx9r.

PITA.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had no problem with small independent places fitting parts I've taken to them so that might be an option but I'd expect the labour costs to be high, just ask them. Of course there's no guarantee that a secondhand engine will be perfect but most are sold from 'running bikes with no known faults.'
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really simple to change the gearbox on a SRAD engine. You don't even need to take the engine out of the frame. Exhaust off, sump off, casing off... then the gearbox is right there. I did it on my friends SRAD 750 when 6th gear exploded. It took about 3 months of it being apart because we got lazy, but it's probably a 3 hour job if you put your mind to it.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counting gears is fun... Went into 4th on way to work, it engages ok, and drives almost but then starts jolting around and grinding. Just avoiding it at the moment.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 10 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
It's really simple to change the gearbox on a SRAD engine. You don't even need to take the engine out of the frame. Exhaust off, sump off, casing off... then the gearbox is right there. I did it on my friends SRAD 750 when 6th gear exploded. It took about 3 months of it being apart because we got lazy, but it's probably a 3 hour job if you put your mind to it.


That sounds promising.

What will I need then to do this? Full gearbox (in case anything else is fucked while I'm in there), which gasket? I won't be interfering with the crank or anything like that?
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