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PostPosted: 17:59 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: MX5 Turbo Conversion Reply with quote

I know there's a few MX5 fans on here so I was meaning to do a proper build thread but couldn't be arsed in the end Laughing

Basically I've turbocharged my 20 year old 1.8 Eunos Cool It's a pretty basic job with no intercooler, low boost and basic fuel and timing control with an HKS Fcon Mini piggyback but I'm going for reliability and cheapness rather than power. I haven't had it tested but I reckon it should be around 170bhp which isn't much but then it does only weigh a tonne. Speedwise, I've had opportunity to test it a couple of times under controlled conditions and it's a bit faster than an E46 330i or an Audi TT 225 but a bit slower than a 350Z Whistle

Whether it makes the car better or not is a difficult question. It improves the handling slightly and it does mean you can overtake more easily on the road and on trackdays but it's introduced a load of complexity and potential unreliability which you don't get with a standard car. Overall I'd say as a road car it's better, as a trackcar it might be better to leave it standard and just avoid fast tracks.

Anyway, speaking of fast tracks, here's a vid from its first track outing at Bedford Autodrome on Saturday:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR01m31UZqY
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought it was going to be about Mightycarmods, some Aussie lads on YouTube if you didn't know who turbo'd an MX5 as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKgKtMXec8

Currently they are busy modifying it to make it more track ready in their latest videos Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
Thought it was going to be about Mightycarmods, some Aussie lads on YouTube if you didn't know who turbo'd an MX5 as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKgKtMXec8

Currently they are busy modifying it to make it more track ready in their latest videos Thumbs Up


I saw the episodes where they were doing the install. It's a lot more professional than mine and they make it look easy Laughing

I'd be interested to see what they're doing in terms of track mods. The biggest issue is heat but all I've done is fit a bigger aluminium radiator and higher pressure cap. Seems to be ok so far but the clutch overheats on track eventually Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

shame you guys didn't get the mazda familia over here,
they use the same engine but bolted east/west,
but come turbo'd so inevitably got crashed, plenty of smashed up ones in nz to steal the manifolds ect from and bolt straight to the mx5,
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 15 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love my MX-5 but I would like a bit more welly sometimes. Why they don't make them as standard with more power I'll never know... Nice videos!
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 15 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not so much the lack of power I dislike but the way the 1.8 engine delivers it. It's not sporty at all, you need to rev it to get the power out of it but it never feels like it wants to zip round to the redline. The 1.6 engine from the old Civic VTi would be far better...really loves being revved and doesn't feel harsh when you do it.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 15 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
It's not so much the lack of power I dislike but the way the 1.8 engine delivers it. It's not sporty at all, you need to rev it to get the power out of it but it never feels like it wants to zip round to the redline. The 1.6 engine from the old Civic VTi would be far better...really loves being revved and doesn't feel harsh when you do it.


went from a del sol vti to my current 2.0 mk3, and yes, the mx5 with that peaky DOHC vtec motor would be my perfect car. Wub
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 15 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
Thought it was going to be about Mightycarmods, some Aussie lads on YouTube if you didn't know who turbo'd an MX5 as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKgKtMXec8

Currently they are busy modifying it to make it more track ready in their latest videos Thumbs Up



TUurbbooooo Yooddddaaaa.

Love the way your steering wheel points way off to the left when you're going down the straight.

Bedford Autodrome's a great little track. The bikes run a different layout unfortunately.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 15 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a fan of the track at all, it's a real power track and few of the corners link together. Cadwell is much more suited to MX5s but Bedford was all I could book that weekend.

I swear when you're driving the car the wheel doesn't look so off centre Laughing It could do with a full alignment anyway but I thought I'd wait until I changed the suspension.
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PostPosted: 02:57 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
I'm not a fan of the track at all, it's a real power track and few of the corners link together. Cadwell is much more suited to MX5s but Bedford was all I could book that weekend.

I swear when you're driving the car the wheel doesn't look so off centre Laughing It could do with a full alignment anyway but I thought I'd wait until I changed the suspension.


I have to say I mainly rate it for the left hand hairpin before the straight that's good for elbow down antics. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: MX5 Turbo Conversion Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:


Whether it makes the car better or not is a difficult question. It improves the handling slightly


ORLY? Exactly how does a turbo 'improve the handling'?

Wink

Looks like fun.

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PostPosted: 09:18 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it guzzle fuel like a mofo now?
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: MX5 Turbo Conversion Reply with quote

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ORLY? Exactly how does a turbo 'improve the handling'?


I meant what I said Mr Smarty Pants Laughing With the extra torque you develop more slip angle on the rear tyres when you're on the throttle which noticeably tightens the line. You can actually get on the throttle sooner in the dry with the turbo as the understeer you induce by transferring the weight to the rear is offset by this extra slip angle. This was most obvious in the hairpins where you can trail brake like crazy to rotate the car into the corner then get on the throttle before the apex and the car turns like a bitch. You can see it with how much the car seems to turn given the steering angle, particularly in the tight left after the chicane that breaks up the main straight. In simple terms it gives you more control over the car's behaviour in corners as you now have the ability to change the slip angle balance by a greater margin (or of course go further and completely overwhelm the rear tyres to slide it around like a goon).

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Does it guzzle fuel like a mofo now?


About 10% more on the road and about 100% more on the track, no kidding Laughing

I think the difference is because I rev the car far less on the road now, typically changing gear at 4k even when making brisk progress. Without the turbo it doesn't even start making power until over 4k.

Obviously on the track I'm revving it right out either way and it was doing probably 10mpg as a result Shocked I had to fill it twice and then again on the way home.

With better engine management I could probably improve it. It's pretty basic and probably running rich for safety.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I'd update this rather than start a new thread. Just did a trackday at Cadwell with the turbo POWAH...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkYpP5B72M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vIpvlLW8Rs

And had my first ever off track excursion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMH6THPXfiI

The car might be up for sale shortly if anyone's interested. One careful owner, never been thrashed Whistle
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Picked up a wee eunos with the plan of introducing forced induction. I'd likely go for a supercharger rather than a turbo as I prefer the instant feel of power rather than nothing...nothing....powaaaah.

Not planning for outright power as I have the rx7 FD for that, just want it to not be boring on long roads and able to make some progress with overtaking etc.

Did you have to fabricate anything in particular or was it all bought and bolted on?
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest with a little T25 turbo it boosts up from very low revs and doesn't feel flat at all. It really feels better than the factory installs of my 200SXs or Impreza in that regard! If you have a 1.6 I'd say go the turbo route for cheapness but if it's a 1.8 it's worth going supercharger just because it's so hard to find a decent 1.8 turbo manifold secondhand.

I didn't need to fabricate anything...I have an HKS downpipe and manifold and once you have those two bits the rest is just generic bolt on stuff.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's a 1.6 that I have now, won't be doing any mods until next summer as I am focussing on mods for the rx7 this summer.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you blow it up you can buy mine off me and try again Thumbs Up

Edit: Just saw the 'for sale' comment... oh well!
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much did the turbo build cost overall?
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

damz wrote:
How much did the turbo build cost overall?


About £900 for the parts (including a bigger radiator which might not be necessary) but you could do it much cheaper on a 1.6 as the bulk of the cost is the manifold. These can be found second hand much more easily for the 1.6s so could save a lot.

If you don't have proper management (i.e. an install as basic as mine) I reckon £500 is feasible with a lot of ebaying.

I may end up taking all the turbo bits off and selling it as a comprehensive kit but that's not much use to you as the manifold and downpipe won't fit.
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