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PostPosted: 08:08 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Chain oiler Reply with quote

My chain has some tight spots and is running out of adjustment room, so I'm going to be installing a new chain and sprockets soon. I'm considering installing an auto chain oiler at the same time, because I've heard the chain can last longer. There are now a silly number of alternatives (several different Scott Oilers, multiple Tutoro's, etc.), so I'm a bit confused. Does anyone have recent experience with these? Are they worth it? Which ones do you recommend?
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Scottoiler and it does exactly what it says it does. If I were buying again, I'd have a look at the PD Oiler too - same principle but uses a wick rather than a nib to distribute the oil.

Having said that, I'd probably buy another Scottoiler purely because I know they work. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried a Loobman and a Tutoro in the past. My current bike came with a Scotoiler fitted.

Once set up, all you need to do is refill it. No remembering to squeeze before every ride or turn it on/off.

Not cheap by any means, but certainly worth it in my view.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a used scottoiler V system off eBay, can be had for roughly £30 ponds.

I do strongly recommend the twin nib thing they have though, well worth the £20.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have the tutoro auto and have to say its been very good and worked every time the only issue (dont know if this is common with all auto oilers) is that when park in the sun on a hot summers day the oil in the tube feeding the sprocket expanded and resulted in a small amount of oil dripping out of the end
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a PDoiler system on my NC700 - I also had the exact same issue of tights spots and running out of adjustment on the chain.
It's electronic so pushes out metered doses of oil (so the same amount of oil is dispensed regardless of the outside temperature) - I didn't use the wick system dispenser and just fitted the Scottoiler sprocket nib instead (bought the parts separately directly from Scottoiler website)

I've done around 8k miles on it and the chain hasn't needed any adjustment thus far (although I've just found out the chain was installed on the p1ss, so it's not been running in line and has damaged the Orings (https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=279644) - something I'll be taking up with the dealer.
But the oiler system is definitely something I'd recommend.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought my bike second handewith a scottoiler already on from new. They are good but I wouldn't solely rely on one to lube the chain. My chain and sprockets are getting tired now after 20k.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
I have a PDoiler system on my NC700 - I also had the exact same issue of tights spots and running out of adjustment on the chain.
It's electronic so pushes out metered doses of oil (so the same amount of oil is dispensed regardless of the outside temperature) - I didn't use the wick system dispenser and just fitted the Scottoiler sprocket nib instead (bought the parts separately directly from Scottoiler website)

I've done around 8k miles on it and the chain hasn't needed any adjustment thus far (although I've just found out the chain was installed on the p1ss, so it's not been running in line and has damaged the Orings (https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=279644) - something I'll be taking up with the dealer.
But the oiler system is definitely something I'd recommend.


Thanks, are you using the MK3 or the Mini?
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the Scottoiler users, are you using the V or the E system? There's a dramatic difference in the price... I also don't see the point of yet another screen/gadget on my handlebars for the E system. I just want it to work, not monitor it.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a scottoiler, does what it is supposed to. I have the vacuum operated one, going on for about 7 years old, I've also been using engine oil in it rather than scottoiler oil for a while now, still works fine.


Just to add, I still clean the chain, but quite rarely (as in once every few months) to get rid of the grime and then oil it manually. A fill of oil lasts maybe 400 miles, but I have it set quite high as I'm just using cheap engine oil.


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PostPosted: 09:42 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
For the Scottoiler users, are you using the V or the E system? There's a dramatic difference in the price... I also don't see the point of yet another screen/gadget on my handlebars for the E system. I just want it to work, not monitor it.


V system. I can't see the point of paying the extra TBH. It's a bit more faff to set the drip rate but not that much more.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

V system Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PDoiler here, works very well. When I bodged up the installation and destroyed the feed tube, they sent me a replacement the following day - free of charge.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
goto10 wrote:
I have a PDoiler system on my NC700 - I also had the exact same issue of tights spots and running out of adjustment on the chain.
It's electronic so pushes out metered doses of oil (so the same amount of oil is dispensed regardless of the outside temperature) - I didn't use the wick system dispenser and just fitted the Scottoiler sprocket nib instead (bought the parts separately directly from Scottoiler website)

I've done around 8k miles on it and the chain hasn't needed any adjustment thus far (although I've just found out the chain was installed on the p1ss, so it's not been running in line and has damaged the Orings (https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=279644) - something I'll be taking up with the dealer.
But the oiler system is definitely something I'd recommend.


Thanks, are you using the MK3 or the Mini?


I have the Mk3, made it easier to install IMO (having the oil reservoir with the pump) - I have it cable tied on the side next to the rear seat.

Regarding Scottoilers - they told me the V system will not work with the NC700 - in fact I've just found the EMail they sent to me when I enquired..
Dave Thomson wrote:
The vSystem is not suitable for your bike as the NC700S does not have a vacuum take-off that the system requires to operate.

The eSystem is OK for your bike, and if you would like further information about this option please follow the link:

https://www.scottoiler.com/uk/esystem/esystem.html

Regards,
Dave Thomson
Scottoiler (Scotland) Ltd


So it would probably require fabrication and/or bodging to get access to a vacuum take-off. Seeing the cost of the Esystem prompted me to look elsewhere - the PDoiler was a good alternative, it still has the general advantages of the S/O Esystem - just barring the fancy display.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a tutoro auto that I was about to put up on ebay. I thought it was great apart from the fact that it would flick oil over the rear tire. My rear tire overlaps with the chain, and so any oil coming off lands on the side of the back tire, and eventually gets spun onto the left hand side. I had one on my old bike and it was great, but I wouldn't have one on a sportsbike with a large rear tire.

PM me if you are interested in the tutoro. You would need to order a couple of bits of the main site, like mounting clip stickers and the tube.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had both Tuturo and a Loobman...........binned both of 'em......reverted back to spray grease. IMHO if you're riding every day and in all weathers an oiler could be beneficial but they also shit up the back end of the bike to a greater or lesser extent. They must save all of a couple of minutes and you could also be checking chain tension and if necessary adjusting it while you're spray-canning.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont see the issue with manually oiling the chain every week ? Takes less time than putting your boots on
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

does it matter what oil you use?? ive got some 2 stroke laying around, ill use that as i keep forgetting to pick some up when i go to the shops if its gonna do the job - or does it have to be 'chain oil'?
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mic wrote:
does it matter what oil you use?? ive got some 2 stroke laying around, ill use that as i keep forgetting to pick some up when i go to the shops if its gonna do the job - or does it have to be 'chain oil'?


Any oil is good mate, I use engine oil always have
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mic wrote:
does it matter what oil you use?? ive got some 2 stroke laying around, ill use that as i keep forgetting to pick some up when i go to the shops if its gonna do the job - or does it have to be 'chain oil'?


EP90 gear oil. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
Dont see the issue with manually oiling the chain every week ? Takes less time than putting your boots on


Don't get an oiler then.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 16 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
Dont see the issue with manually oiling the chain every week ? Takes less time than putting your boots on

I've been telling myself this for years and avoided buying an oiler, and to be honest have at times very badly neglected my chains and even now slack off more than i should.

Its not so much the time it takes its litearlly just being arsed to do it for me - i only feel i've given it a good clean when its up on paddock and i can get the wheel spinning on the brush nicely, and even doing that is more than i can be arsed most days of the week Laughing

Chains just about had it at 20k odd now so think i'll be investing in an oiler once i get it back on the road and re-chained in a couple of months Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 17 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Tutoro Auto. 14000 miles and chain was adjusted once after first few hundred miles.

Nothing on tbe tyre if adjusted correctly.

IMHO worth the money.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 17 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

C1REX wrote:

Nothing on tbe tyre if adjusted correctly.


I wish but mine was already as low as it could go, and I switched to a thicker oil to see if that helped. Shame - its a great bit of kit.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 17 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really need to invest in one of these self oiling gizmos.

Use the bike daily and with the amount of horizontal rain we get over here (sea air probably doesn't help either), a weekly oiling is nowhere near enough to prevent rust spots developing. Also, my bike lives outside on the road, I have no paddock stands, so usually do an oil and clean at works car park.

Just got my chain replaced after 10,500 miles, as I went away for a week, came back to the chain covered in surface rust. Could probably have cleaned it up but, the bike was booked in for a service anyway, so just got them to chuck a new one in.

Certainly seems like it'd be a worthwhile investment from my pov.
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