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PostPosted: 07:40 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Remind me why I pay taxes again Reply with quote

So soon there is no JSA should I lose my job I have to work for it.

I'll defo not get any state pension.

The police don't work for my safety and interests.


Now NHS tptb want to make it pay for use.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/an-nhs-free-at-the-point-of-use-could-soon-be-a-thing-of-the-past-officials-warn-8876505.html

Remind me why I pay taxes again, oh wait because they'll torture me if I don't!
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get your bins emptied! That's about it and then you have to do half the work for em by putting it in correct bins! Bastards!
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Lord Digby Jones in a speech he gave yesterday:
"By paying taxes, you're providing the right for every child in Britain to have compulsory, free education".https://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/think_of_the_children.jpg
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is it, something like 40% of workers are employed by the State? I believe it's now over 50% in Soviet Scotland. Then they retire at 55 and enjoy their index linked final salary pensions.

Anyway, I think I see a solution to the NHS funding gap.

TFA wrote:
top health officials

Salaries are what?
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

why do you pay tax ??
well how else are the MP's going to get paid and heaven forbid theres no money for there expenses
think about the ducks, they will get cold in the winter Wink
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Remind me why I pay taxes again Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
Remind me why I pay taxes again


To bail out the banks and ensure that government subsidies are paid to "so called", private businesses, who, apparently, run the railways, roads, energy, water, PFI, Post Office, etc.
Without your taxes, via subsidies, the shareholders of these, overpriced, parasitic, enterprises, would be out of pocket!
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Remind me why I pay taxes again Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:


To bail out the banks and ensure that government subsidies are paid to "so called", private businesses, who, apparently, run the railways, roads, energy, water, PFI, Post Office, etc.
Without your taxes, via subsidies, the shareholders of these, overpriced, parasitic, enterprises, would be out of pocket!



Oh, thats alright then Sad
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Remind me why I pay taxes again Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
So soon there is no JSA should I lose my job I have to work for it.

huh? when'd this happen?

(awesome if true)

I'm sure there's a meme in this somewhere.

Jobseekers...
.. moan when they have to work to get money
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Remind me why I pay taxes again Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
fatpies wrote:
So soon there is no JSA should I lose my job I have to work for it.

huh? when'd this happen?

Probably referencing the "under 25 no dole" thread.

I wouldn't read too much into it, it's just providing cheap slaves to Tesco and Poundland.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Remind me why I pay taxes again Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
Suntan Sid wrote:


To bail out the banks and ensure that government subsidies are paid to "so called", private businesses, who, apparently, run the railways, roads, energy, water, PFI, Post Office, etc.
Without your taxes, via subsidies, the shareholders of these, overpriced, parasitic, enterprises, would be out of pocket!



Oh, thats alright then Sad


Our MP's would like us to believe that it's all above board!
Because they are such paragons of virtue, Rolling Eyes , it must be alright then! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO, MP expenses or whatevs are but a drop in the ocean compared to pension liabilities. MP expenses may cost millions, but pension liabilities (the single biggest expense in the welfare bill) are crippling in terms of tens of billions of drain on the public purse.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 18 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NHS is probably the only thing I'd give a toss about.

JSA: well, it's irrelevant compared to what you could provide yourself on anything other than NMW.

State Pension: pretty much same deal, though slightly better.

Police: only matters if you're rich or involved in serious violent crime. If you're rich then wouldn't have really needed a public police force anyway.

JSA particularly strikes me as something which we could just totally ignore, leave in the budget forever, and not really sweat it.

I earn about as much return on my savings in early-20's (no inheritance) than my JSA pals get on the dole. By my 30s it'll dwarf it. Total irrelevance to anyone but the underclass IMO.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 19 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Then they retire at 55 and enjoy their index linked final salary pensions.


What? The index linked pension that is based on a final salary that was frozen for 3 years and has gone up by a miserly 1% this year?

Or the index linked pension where the contributions have been tripled in the last three years?

Or the pension that the NAO said was self sustaining?

Or the pension that the government decided to close and first said was unsustainable (and were proved wrong) and then said was unaffordable (and were proved wrong) and finally settled on un-fair, when the un-fair bit is the fact that the private sector closed all their final salary pensions in order to make more profit....
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 19 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The civil service final salary scheme has been killed off, both for new and existing members. It's now a career average based salary, with far higher contributions.

Still a very good pension, but a lot worse than it was a couple of years ago.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 20 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
The civil service final salary scheme has been killed off, both for new and existing members. It's now a career average based salary, with far higher contributions.

Still a very good pension, but a lot worse than it was a couple of years ago.


As has/is the NHS pension. We don't (and haven't in my career) retire at 55 either..
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 20 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, the only ones I can think of that ever got out that early could be some emergency services and military types.

When I joined it was tempting to do my 40 years and get out at 58 (with a reduced pension for early retirement). That is now highly unlikely.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 20 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

swampy wrote:
Robby wrote:
The civil service final salary scheme has been killed off, both for new and existing members. It's now a career average based salary, with far higher contributions.

Still a very good pension, but a lot worse than it was a couple of years ago.


As has/is the NHS pension. We don't (and haven't in my career) retire at 55 either..


Dont let that get in the way of the Butthurt though!
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 20 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
The civil service final salary scheme has been killed off, both for new and existing members. It's now a career average based salary, with far higher contributions.

Still a very good pension, but a lot worse than it was a couple of years ago.

And which scheme are the rest of us paying for in the present tense? Gen X are paying for the baby boomers. The millennials might as well just blow their earnings on ketamine and inject it up each others' arses for all the chance they've got of keeping the pyramid stable.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 21 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
And which scheme are the rest of us paying for in the present tense? Gen X are paying for the baby boomers. The millennials might as well just blow their earnings on ketamine and inject it up each others' arses for all the chance they've got of keeping the pyramid stable.


Yup...

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/state-pension-cost-146-000-134406728.html

£177,000 per household to pay for pensions. That's a hell of a lot of tax!

No government could ever touch that though... they have to buy votes somehow.

MPs salaries and even bank bailouts are small fry in comparison...
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 21 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are like Japan in many ways....the sucky bits that is.

Inflated asset prices, ageing population, mahooosive pension liability and a slowdown in creating little people who go on to prop the ponzi.

Currency debasement and erosion of pension value will continue, death by a thousand cuts.

Don't bother, spend it now at todays value, why pay for someone else to have lovely un-inflated goods now when no one will be paying for yours down the line at a much higher price.
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PostPosted: 07:16 - 22 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pigeon wrote:
We are like Japan in many ways....the sucky bits that is.

Inflated asset prices, ageing population, mahooosive pension liability and a slowdown in creating little people who go on to prop the ponzi.

Currency debasement and erosion of pension value will continue, death by a thousand cuts.

Don't bother, spend it now at todays value, why pay for someone else to have lovely un-inflated goods now when no one will be paying for yours down the line at a much higher price.


Which is why the UK needs all the immigration it can get. Immigrants tend not to cost much to get up to working age, pay taxes and then a high proportion leave again and lose any pension rights.
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