How would you fix the Motorcycle and Car licence laws?

[Hokum]

The current system is too limiting and too complex.

How do you think the system should work?

My proposal.

I'm not putting ages in, as at current time, an 18 Yo could drive an HGV but not a big bike... Seems silly.

CBT: You can drive up to a 125 with L's for 2 years.

Car licence with CBT: you can drive up to a 125 without L's (I think it's the same in France?)

Bike licence: You can drive any bike.

Car with Bike Licence: you can drive any bike even beynd your age if you added the below.

Car with Bike Licence, plus loves cock: You can drive a Quad...

Now if you wanted to add age restrictions, in like, -18 250 max, -21 500 max, 24+ 1000000000000000000000 and beyond.

But the Bike test should be the Bike test not A, A1, A2, it's all the ruddy same.

If you pass your car test in a 1.1 Micra you aren't limited to 1.1 cars are you...
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[J.M.]

Pass 1 difficult and actually relevant theory test. One that actually shows that you know stuff. Also a hazard awareness test. All of this is marked by a human being, not a computer, that you can justify your answers to. If you get the right answer but no justification, no points.

With that passed, you can then get a license.

Each category of vehicle requires a competency test to be passed. You go out on the road, demonstrate you are competent at controlling the vehicle and then you are allowed to drive that category of vehicle.

Simples.
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[kiwisaki]

[P.]

Nothing bigger than a 1.2, max power output of 90hp for the first 5 years of driving.
Nothing bigger than a 250cc, max power output 50hp for the first 5 years of riding.

After this you can have anything but...
Any accident that is caused by yourself increases your premium 20%.
A year without a fault accident decreases your premium by 20%.

Death by dangerous driving, 5 year ban plus any sentence given, ban starts on release date.
Causing serious injury by driving dangerously, as above but 1 year ban.

Get rid of the shit drivers on the road by nipping the young fuckers. Means they can still get around and get their jobs etc but will prevent Chav McBurberry from jumping into his Skyline and wiping out 4 buggies of children or Mrs RichSlagsParents from buying her that supercharged Mini or Range Rover.

[Hokum]

[fozzym]

1. Drive/Ride under supervision @15 Designated Restricted vehicle or Bike
2. On road test @ 17

The End

[Ste]

Cycling proficiency would be a compulsory prerequisite for getting your provisional license.

CBT can't be renewed.

Driving test and motorcycle test would be to a higher standard and the test would be longer.

Learners would be allowed on motorways but only with senior/experienced/the best driving instructors.

Restrictions are fucking stupid. If you can pay to insure it then you can drive or ride it.

Some way of having no claims bonus take account of how many miles you've done.

Old people would be required to retake their driving license at say 65 or 70.

Increased numbers of traffic police.

I would be given my license back.

[Doovy]

[The Shaggy D.A.]

No car licence without a bike licence. No bike licence without spending 2 years on a moped. No moped licence without one being freed up by an existing road user dieing.

That'll sort the population problem too, as all the 16 year olds go Deathrace 2000 on the OAPs.
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[Doovy]

[dydey90]

[P.]

[Hetzer]

*Responsible member of society head*:

Nobody allowed to operate any kind of motorised vehicle on the public roads until age 25.

Have to be trained by a licenced instructor until he says you are safe and competant to drive.

Full licence.

The above for both cars and bikes.

Any instructor found to be holding drivers back in order to make more money loses his licence to instruct.

*Freeman head*:

Somebody shows you how to drive/ride.

Full licence.
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[Andy_Pagin]

Do away with UN-accompanied Ls.

Everyone has to complete a prescribed course in Motoring, involving classroom work as well as practical training, the aim being at the end you know everything you need to about motoring, not just the bare minimum to scrape through a simple test.

The course covers cycling, motorcycling and car driving, you have to pass the lot, and get a single licence for the lot. Thus every new driver has an awareness of the dangers each class of driver/rider faces.

Cycling without a licence becomes an offence for adults.
Motorcycle power restrictions revert back to the old rules.
Power restriction rules of some sort are applied to cars.

End result is new motorists are far better equipped to be safe. Thick'os never get a licence.
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[iooi]

No one can get ANY licence without first having driven ALL other types of vehicle.

No car licence till 1 year on moped (limited to 40 MPH)
Limits on cars engine size in first 5 years of driving.
Same with bikes max of 600cc for 1st 5 years.

Anyone who has to drive for a living get double points.

Get 13 points its a instant ban... No appeals, no letting off.

You know the punishment. Then you drive as if your life depended on it.
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[P.]

[Ribenapigeon]

Make learning to ride a motorcycle part of driver training.

[Wonko The Sane]

at 16 can ride restricted to 15bhp scooter or bike on L plates having done a better CBT than current including theory and hazard perception.

At 17 you can do your bike test or car license but you are limited to 250cc bike or 1400 on the car, power restriction on both, weight limit on the car.

At 19 you can upgrade this by simply doing a competence test in a higher powered vehicle, not a full re-test but a driving assessment.

Theory must be done prior to heading out onto the road.

possible 21 upgrade to 3 tonne limit and unlimited power if the 19 year old is limited on power output (essentially excluding high performance track derived cars / supercharged massive 4x4's)

You don't have to upgrade, if you're happy driving a 1.3 corsa your entire life, fair enough.

If banned you must start from the beginning working your way through the assessments, undecided on probation period to be served in barbie pink Reliant Robin.
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[iooi]

[finniee]

6 months with L's, then another practical where you can remove the L plates and ride with out them. Get rid of theory tests, you learn fuck all about driving/riding with them. The test should last 3 hours, thats 1 hour practice before then 2 hours dricing

2 Years riding then practical test on <300cc
After 2 Years >300cc

If you watch car drivers near a bike with Ls they turn into the worse driver in the world.

Had one today - Enforced 50 mph road with Cameras, some walaper sat on my backwheel for a mile then overtook me and pinged in no more than 3 meters in front of me, fair enough probs needed to pee, no more than 30 seconds later, was sitting behind said walaper, then decided screw sitting in traffic, filtered, give him the single digit never to be seen again.

[Irn-Bru]

Power limits for cars should come into effect, at the minute the Government prefer to let the insurance companies line their pockets while young people kill themselves and innocent people due to incompetence and inexperience. This just prevents middle class and below from driving a Ferrari at 17 but the super rich don't care.

16 year olds should be able to ride 125's, just to keep 50's off the road which can be dangerous especially mixed with inexperienced riders riding along side the kerb. Test rules should be reverted, just another ploy to get more tax money. The rules don't affect me but I feel sorry for young riders these days.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Deliberately writing this without reading other replies.

First stage, have a "road user" class taught at school, starting with cycling, highway code and the like. And maybe some basic driving and / or riding at a later stage (still long before people currently get to drive cars).

After that a general test combining both cars and bikes (and possibly some experience of driving a lorry / bus), with both being required. OK, a small number would be physically unable to ride a bike and some way would be required to give them a similar range of experience.

Not sure an individual short test is useful (too easy for somewhat to get lucky and have nothing that stretches their driving, or have a situation that is treated as a major fail point with possibility for any action that wouldn't result in a fail). Hence maybe something close to continuous assessment.

However, it would cost money (although mostly not to the individual as it would be part of normal schooling) and various anti private transport groups would have kittens at the idea of anything they thought might encourage driving or riding.

All the best

Keith
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[Jonathan A]

I think that I should be allowed to take the restriction tampons out of my bike

GCSE science grades should determine the age at which one can drive a car interdependently...Some of the people I know, who drive cars

[The Shaggy D.A.]

[Ariel Badger]

Bike licencing to start at 18 for boys but 16 for girls and car from 20 for boys 18 for girls. I know this breaches equality laws but it reflects relative maturity levels between the sexes.
CBT lasts two years as now but it is a one off, no licence after two years and you never touch a bike again as you have proved you suck. Bike CBT to be compulsory part of car test. All proper tests to include motorway driving and inner-city driving not just bimbling about in the leafy suburbs. Theory to include a test to prove a decent comprehension of the working of engines, gearboxes and suspension.
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