There's always work to be done.

[Lord Percy]

But apparently there aren't any jobs

This is an interesting one.

First read this:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1001597_10202366517873104_1889646698_n.jpg

Now think about what the real problem is. Is it really that the big businesses are taking work away and only doing things for profit?

Or is it that every single person only ever does anything for profit?

It's quite an interesting thought. For society, there's loads that every single person could do to help out in some way - I mean volunteering to help for the good of the community. But nobody does. So nothing gets done.

Yet we complain that there are no jobs, or in other words there's 'nothing to do' .

How can the community/volunteer spirit be reborn?

Probably something to do with the welfare state and the reduced need for us to properly look after ourselves any more - there's always 'someone else' there to provide for all the problems.

Thoughts?

[fatpies]

[fatpies]

Rather than re-edit the above post.

I think the major issue is users and the tragedy of commons.

Although the saying is to help people shows that you're a useful person.

Or that you should help for the sake of helping.

These are great ideals.

However it is spoiled by users egoists and the selfish, the kinds of people who phone you only when they want something. Who only take and never actually give. Although they have existed for a long time. I think as a race of humans we are becoming more and more ruthless because the users move to new suckers they benefit and get ahead at the cost of everybody else.

200 years ago in tight villages, we'd all know each other and live in small villages. The users and selfish would be well known and ostracized. Therefore the selfishness which was counter to society was limited and the harm they did was limited too.

With the mobility of people we don't know each other any more. Therefore users can move onto new suckers constantly.

See BWFC4EVA's ex GF she used him, she moved onto another sucker. Would this be possible in a tiny tight knit community?

In BCF which is a microcosm, we have this exact same thing with Karma and how people help others. Users are quickly named, cheats too.

We all know people like this who spoil it for everybody.

As such when they are burned people withdraw their abilities and cease to help.


I think back sometimes and wonder if I am a sucker, I remember teaching my best mate how to drive decades ago. We stopped talking after he no longer had a use for me. Was I a sucker?

Am I a sucker for helping people today?
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[Lord Percy]

[CaNsA]

[Hetzer]

I strongly suspect there are many more people now, as a ratio of the population, who have the sociopathic gene. That in itself is a serious problem, but when you also consider that one sociopath in govt or big business can impact an almost unlimited number of people in a given population, the problem is far bigger than it used to be.

Sociopaths have been the bane of human civilisation even when small communities made it much easier to spot them and limit the spread of the gene. That's now impossible and they have spread like a plague. And I can see no future in which they'll be prevented from rising to positions of power, much less eradicated. Which is why humanity is doomed.
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[fatpies]

[D O G]

OP needs to chill the fuck out.

The answer to all your questions is that it is human nature.

Deal with it.

[G]

As you suggest; people generally work for themselves.

People earning decent amounts of money are generally contributing a fair bit to society by way of their taxes.
(I think it's in the mid 20s that you cross over from being an average cost to the country to being an a contributer - obviously the higher you get, the amount you are putting in relative to using (average used, again) is increasing significantly.

What I always thought we needed was to be investing internally and selling abroad.
At the moment it seems we are getting foreign investment and products.
On the very basics of the situation, it doesn't seem particularly sustainable.

(We do of course have plenty of exports - but mostly intellectual.)

[Derivative]

BCF advert on this thread:

https://images.wikia.com/nintendo/en/images/archive/7/7a/20101009221409!Job_island.jpg



Anyway, yeah. It's not because there isn't any work.

There isn't any profitable work. You want profit. Sounds... familiar.

[Hetzer]

I do believe it's not too much to expect now that everyone should be able to have a life free of financial anxiety on a daily basis. The Romans managed it, ffs. Until they ran wild with wars and slavery.

This blindness to the incredible evil of un-restricted capitalism truly baffles me. And the excuses put forward for it. Really, do we truly have no better expectation of ourselves than that we are still little better than animals?
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[Derivative]

[daemonoid]

[daemonoid]

[G]

[Im-a-Ridah]

[G]

Think it's now called 'universal credit'? But yes, that's the basics.
With kids, living in a house with a disabled person or various other things it seems you'd do a fair bit better.

[daemonoid]

[G]

Didn't realise they worked like that.

Kinda scary that people can say "we want" without having to worry about the consequences of how it is made to happen.

If they get the 1:12 thing through, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the real world.
I suspect it'll either be a case of better shares packages etc - or a case of the people at the bottom getting kicked out and being outsourced. Get rid of the cleaners, even tech help-desk staff and employ them from a company that may not treat them nearly as well with a lot worse benefits.

Or it may end up all cosy-utopian, of course!

[smegballs]

What happens if you're a swisser don't want to take the govts money?

[daemonoid]

[tbourner]

Wasn't there a thread on here before about the 'basic income' idea? Something about Canada doing it?

I think it's a good idea TBH, you get enough to live and if you want more than that you have to go and earn it - those of us in good jobs would have shitloads of extra money, some people would give up work opening up the job market hugely, those who have 5 kids and getting 30k in benefits would have no excuse to not go out and get a job because they can no longer afford their 5 kids on the basic income.

Problem is what would it do to birth/death rates, what would that mean in the future, what happens to taxes, gov budget is out the window basically.
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Trev, now a biker?
Looking for first big bike.

[daemonoid]

[tbourner]

The other risk is we have a lazy arse population in the country so loads of people give up work and nobody else takes up the jobs - it's likely that it won't be the more skilled workers leaving but it could result in this thread title becoming a prediction that there's work to be done and nobody willing to do it! Prices then go up and the basic income then needs to go up - the end.
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Trev, now a biker?
Looking for first big bike.

[syl]