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PostPosted: 17:08 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Russell Brand tells Paxman how it is Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3YR4CseY9pk

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PostPosted: 17:28 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't watch as he makes me feel sick
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxman or Brand?
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

He can be a knob (brand) but he is brilliant with words, people try to talk down to him. He doesn't allow it. Good on ya Brand!
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sociopath or psychopath, cant work out which he is tbh.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't enjoy his comedy, but ever since he has been doing these mini political rants, he is bang on Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing about Paxman is that he seems to be one of them rich folk who assumes that because his life is alright, then everyone's life must be alright.

Actually I think that's one of the major causes of apathy and lack of care in most of the first world. "My life is ok, everyone else is just doing it wrong. Stop complaining".
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could keep hitting Brand in the face with a shovel until the coroner pulls me away.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each time I see an interview with Brand, I flip between thinking he's a man with a brain, something to say while sometimes being very funny and sharp. To, this guy is a delusional, childish ignoramus who has learnt 10 large words and projects his very small world experience onto a much larger and more complex reality.

That being said, Paxman did his usual and quickly tried to descend the "interview" into an ego size contest.

Thankfully, Brand managed to raise the tone around 7mins mark and finally make some reasonable points. Except about voting. Not voting does not stop the bellends from getting in.
I'm also not convinced about the revolution being near. Most people lack courage to risk what they have for something else. It's only when people have nothing, are backed into a corner that they come out fighting on mass.
Inequality in the UK has not yet reached the levels of the USA and there isn't much sign of revolution over there yet.
Not saying it can't, or shouldn't happen, but the balance doesn't seem conducive to significant change of the status quo.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just can't make my mind up about Brand, I too was verrrry close to closing the window a couple of mins into this video cos his 'enthusiasm' was driving me mad, I prefer people who can illustrate their point calmly, but by the end of it I was thinking ok fair enough, you did actually seem to get your point across, eventually.

I dunno though, there's something I just don't trust about him, something still very fake, like he's found something that's getting him lots of attention and sticking with it. Whether that's necessarily a bad thing when he's drawing attention to things that need drawing attention to is another matter I guess.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do like the guy, but I also found the bit where he talks negatively about profit very hypocritical, given the amount of money he's just spent on a home in L.A..
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just keep thinking of Katy Perry and her talents.
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually yeah one point against Brand:

I think he's quite the icon and is very good at representing the real desires of the people. But he's nothing more than a megaphone. I mean that's absolutely great. But imagine him being given the power to act out these things? I'd be scared indeed. He'd be a poor leader. Far too self-involved.

But still, he's bloody good at articulating himself and putting forward very reasonable and well thought opinions in situations where most of us would end up crumbling under the unnecessary pressure (eg when Paxman et al create all that unnecessary pressure for the cameras).

Brand is brilliant at voicing the thoughts of the masses though.

And I fully agree that voting does absolutely fuck al. If you vote, it shows that you agree with the current system. Which is fucked. I don't agree with anything, this is hardly democracy any more when we just vote for our favourite colour and nothing changes anyway.

I don't vote because I don't see the point. Simple as that. In my whole life nothing has ever changed for the better. Every single party seems to fuck up in some way. And I don't blame them either. As Brand said, it's the whole corporate fuckabout. Every politician has good intentions, but clearly when we vote for them, they can't do what they intended. Why? Well I don't know. But clearly the system isn't working. So why bother taking part.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to say it, I used to really dislike the guy, but I completely agree with him and respect what he is saying.
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pigeon wrote:
Not voting does not stop the bellends from getting in.


Voting doesn't either, when there's only the bellends to vote for, hence "don't vote" (ie don't give them the perceived authority).

That said, we are currently nowhere near enough people not voting to inspire any change (I prefer spoiled ballots myself anyway, how could any government consider themselves to have a mandate if 51%, or more, of voters spoiled their ballot?)

Lord Percy wrote:
Actually yeah one point against Brand:

I think he's quite the icon and is very good at representing the real desires of the people. But he's nothing more than a megaphone


I think Brand realises this (he even says so in the interview).
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

He says he's a former drug addict like it's something to be proud of. He seems to bring it up at every opportunity. It's easy to act cool if you've not got any serious, or worse still unpopular points to make. How would he avoid a default whilst still paying pensions, the huge aid to the third world he would support, healthcare spending, working to tax credit etc? All this whilst getting rid of businesses and corporations who generate the money to fill the pot?

Also note how he clearly calls for revolution and it's ok, because he's on the Liberal side. Imagine the response if Nigel Farage made public calls to have a revolution and overthrow the government, or worse still Nick Griffin! The government would send in the police in full storm trooper gear like they did last time (see link).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veda-JRXczs

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I do like the guy, but I also found the bit where he talks negatively about profit very hypocritical, given the amount of money he's just spent on a home in L.A..


He's a typical champagne socialist. It's the rich(er) people that are the problem, he's part of the poor(er) solution.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brand is a 100% Prat.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assplain to me the value in watching a debate between two meedja luvvies who have neither of them made a chair where all four legs touch the ground at the same time.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Assplain to me the value in watching a debate between two meedja luvvies who have neither of them made a chair where all four legs touch the ground at the same time.


More value than the politicians they slag off, who aren't even in chairs, they're on cloud nine.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to hate him but now quite like the way he talks, I know he's making it sound cleverer than it is but I still get the ideas and agree with a lot of it.
It is still a bit cringey with all the exuberance though.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbourner wrote:
I used to hate him but now quite like the way he talks, I know he's making it sound cleverer than it is but I still get the ideas and agree with a lot of it.
It is still a bit cringey with all the exuberance though.


More entertaining to watch than a bunch of grey suits getting uppity over everything.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's really as simple as 'voting' or 'not voting'.

The issue is that the 'choice' is relatively null. There exists no party that is actually going to instigate real change.

Or more realistically, they do exist, but they have near-zero or negative exposure such that no-one dares risk the vote anyway.

The main parties are essentially the same thing with minor tweaks. Parties like the Greens and UKIP tweak a bit more, but that's all they do. There exists no mainstream party that is willing to stand up and say 'okay, we're calling time on capitalism, we're going to abolish Parliament, we're going to do something drastic'.

How powerful is the current system of democracy, anyway? If, for argument's sake, the BCF party got in tomorrow, could we abolish elitism? Could we destroy Parliament and create a new system? Or are we too far gone now into the hands of globalism? That's the real question that needs to be answered, because if true, then voting truly is irrelevant.

I'm not convinced that we're gone to the extent that sovereignty is irrelevant. But we may be at that point very soon - technology is rapidly providing a small elite with the power to essentially ignore the rest of humanity, which wouldn't have been the case a century ago.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nightwatch, by Terry Pratchett wrote:
The thing about revolutions is that they always come back around. That's why they're called revolutions. -His Grace the Duke of Ankh, Sir Samual Vimes


However, I think that certainly in the last five years, the internet has allowed things to happen that defy all social theorem because people can freely and secretively communicate with those of a like mind, much as we are doing now. Anonymous have proved this, as well as the more militant actions in the middle east.
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