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BikerMatt
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Kill switch Reply with quote

Hi, just wondering why the CBR 125 wasn't made with a kill switch and whether you could install one. I read the manual and it mentioned there were CBR 125's with and without kill switches but googling this, nothing pops up.

Notice how I said wondering

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Nobby the Bastard
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's easy to fit a kill-switch, just work out which of the wires going to the ignition cut the engine and put a switch in line with one of the wires.

Whats more relevant is why you feel the need to have a kill switch.

To be honest, they are irrelevant. You'll instinctively pull the clutch if your engine won't stop and you need to stop moving and you'll instinctively switch it off at the ignition if the engine needs to be stopped. if you aren't moving.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the chihuahua wrote:
why you feel the need to have a kill switch.


Only reason I can think of Laughing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlXVCVMr_pk

That and if you go down and your key snaps! Which has happened to me lol

Thanks for the response.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Kill switch Reply with quote

BikerMatt wrote:
Hi, just wondering why the CBR 125 wasn't made with a kill switch and whether you could install one. I read the manual and it mentioned there were CBR 125's with and without kill switches but googling this, nothing pops up.

Notice how I said wondering

Thanks


Extremely easy to do, take the wire from your igniton coil ( LT side its the little one with a bullet connector connector on ) up to switch and another back down to the coil where the wire would have originally connected.
No spark = kill engine Wink
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bladerunner
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 24 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kill switches do have there use in an emergency if your throttle should happen to stick open but tbh on a low power 125 4t the back brake can also be used to stall the engine if needed.even in a low gear..more a fail safe on bikes that over power the back brake but easy enough to fit an after market mx type switch to the handle bars....just needs a wire from the low tension side of the coil and the other wire to an earth on the frame...if you push the switch it earths the power going to the coil meaning no spark. £8 for an after market type that includes handle bar mount and wires already fitted.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check your wiring diagram before fitting.

Earthing the power "going to" the coil results in a short! You want to be earthing the cold side of the coil.

For example I know lots of old yamahas had the hot end of the HT coil permanently attached to the ignition controlled live, and the TCI unit controlled the ground side of the coil on and off to make the spark.

In such a case fitting a switch between the hot side of the coil and ground would make a short circuit. It would probs stop the engine - by blowing the main fuse! Laughing

Putting a switch between the cold side of the coil and ground would work in such a case, as it would mean the coil was permanently "on" despite what the TCI was doing. As such there would be a steady current through the coil = constant magnetic field = no induced sparks.

If you post up a wiring diagram of the bike concerned I'll take a look for you and work out what is happening?
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
Check your wiring diagram before fitting.

Earthing the power "going to" the coil results in a short! You want to be earthing the cold side of the coil.

For example I know lots of old yamahas had the hot end of the HT coil permanently attached to the ignition controlled live, and the TCI unit controlled the ground side of the coil on and off to make the spark.

In such a case fitting a switch between the hot side of the coil and ground would make a short circuit. It would probs stop the engine - by blowing the main fuse! Laughing

Putting a switch between the cold side of the coil and ground would work in such a case, as it would mean the coil was permanently "on" despite what the TCI was doing. As such there would be a steady current through the coil = constant magnetic field = no induced sparks.

If you post up a wiring diagram of the bike concerned I'll take a look for you and work out what is happening?


There is only one wire on a cbr125 coil, it earths through its mounting points.
The switch should act to "break" this wire not to return it to earth.
Switch should have the same effect as unplugging the wire
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinched this off another forum post ignore the indicator being highlighted. The switch should be installed as shown in red.
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smegballs
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

gavcarter wrote:
pinched this off another forum post ignore the indicator being highlighted. The switch should be installed as shown in red.


All good to go there mate Thumbs Up

The coil has a permanent ground so the TCI will be pulsing the hot end of the low tension bit. Open circuit and no spark.

Fun bit of trivia on ignition wiring: on an RXS100 the key grounds out the cdi when it is in the "off" position. When you turn it "on" you are actually open-circuiting the "cdi-off" wire. Literally cutting the wire, or unplugging the ignition switch connector block inside the headlight will allow the bike to be started...... Not the greatest design from an anti-theft perspective Mr Yamaha....
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