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PostPosted: 13:09 - 28 Oct 2013    Post subject: 3D printing a house Reply with quote

thought it may have taken a few years to get to this point but apparently its already possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yv-IWdSdns#t=56
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 28 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: 3D printing a house Reply with quote

Interesting possibilities.

Of course concrete houses often aren't considered great in the UK.
But then you can always knock it down twenty years down the line and rebuild it to your current wants by getting the robot back for a day.

Of course, no reason the house-making robot can't lay bricks either.

Seems I'm definitely not the first to think about that.

But who's going to wolf-whistle at all girls now?
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 28 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: 3D printing a house Reply with quote

G wrote:

But then you can always knock it down twenty years down the line and rebuild it to your current wants by getting the robot back for a day.


A bit like switching on 'build' mode in the Sims and knocking up an extra living room.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 28 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: 3D printing a house Reply with quote

On that - you're having a party next week and want a couple of extra rooms, so give the company a shout and book a slot to do you an extra bedroom and a second reception room.

But then, does it have to be THAT big. Get it on wheels with a big articulated arm and you just get them to dump the raw materials in some collapsible hoppers, connect up the water, plug it in the mains and let it do it's thang.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 28 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks clever but will probably cost a small fortune even though concrete is cheap.

I want to build a cob house. Mud, straw and sand are the only things you need on top of good solid foundations.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 28 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:

I want to build a cob house. Mud, straw and sand are the only things you need on top of good solid foundations.

I'm sure they'll release an add-on to do that Razz.

The price of a machine as they show it shouldn't be too hideous, I'd have thought.
No new technology there - it's just an upscaled version of the ones already available basically.
Wouldn't have to be as accurate either.

Be more of a problem in the UK making space to have a machine as shown - but for new builds probably not too much of an issue.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 28 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:

I want to build a cob house. Mud, straw and sand are the only things you need on top of good solid foundations.

I'm sure they'll release an add-on to do that Razz.

The price of a machine as they show it shouldn't be too hideous, I'd have thought.
No new technology there - it's just an upscaled version of the ones already available basically.
Wouldn't have to be as accurate either.

Be more of a problem in the UK making space to have a machine as shown - but for new builds probably not too much of an issue.


It actually looks pretty simple.

Big 3 axis gantry thing - pretty much the same as automated cranes

Control software - normal CNC stuffs.

Concrete nozzle and pump - pretty simple stuff.

Maybe it took a while to get the right formula for the cemenent mix, something soft enough to pump but viscous enough not to collapse in a big sloppy mess. The actual tech is pretty simple compare to say a Selective Laser Sintering (rapid prototyping) machine. It's like a Fused Deposition Modelling machine just scaled up and instead of using molted thermoplastic, using pumped concrete.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 29 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:

I want to build a cob house. Mud, straw and sand are the only things you need on top of good solid foundations.

I'm sure they'll release an add-on to do that Razz.

The price of a machine as they show it shouldn't be too hideous, I'd have thought.
No new technology there - it's just an upscaled version of the ones already available basically.
Wouldn't have to be as accurate either.

Be more of a problem in the UK making space to have a machine as shown - but for new builds probably not too much of an issue.


Problem solved then, get the add on, build the foundations cheaply and then build a cob house on top. Something really appealing about building a house out of mud, sand and straw.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 29 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Looks clever but will probably cost a small fortune even though concrete is cheap.

I want to build a cob house. Mud, straw and sand are the only things you need on top of good solid foundations.


I'm guessing you watched Grand Designs the other day.
For those that didn't, guy built a huge place out of cob. One of the better GD's I've seen as the chap was a proper cob builder who knew what he was doing (apart form the budget and not having the money to finish it).
Seems the only thing you need for cob is dry weather, obviously he built it in the summer of 2012.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 29 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big dollops of bullshit!

What's the point?
There's no cost or time saving!
You still need to construct the shuttering before pouring the concrete!
You still need steel fixers to place the rebar before the concrete is poured.
"Fibre reinforced concrete", how does that work, if it's poured in layers?
Answer, it won't! How do the fibres bridge the layers of concrete?
Concrete structures, simply, do not work the way the video implies!
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 29 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Big dollops of bullshit!

What's the point?
There's no cost or time saving!
You still need to construct the shuttering before pouring the concrete!
You still need steel fixers to place the rebar before the concrete is poured.
"Fibre reinforced concrete", how does that work, if it's poured in layers?
Answer, it won't! How do the fibres bridge the layers of concrete?
Concrete structures, simply, do not work the way the video implies!


It's not as if cast concrete is a particularly expensive building material is it, its on of the cheapest as far as I know.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 29 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you wanted rebar it would presumablybe easy to have something insert rebard into the paste they are applying.

It looked me that the layers of concrete-paste were squidged together.
Whether that's enough for the 'fibre' to bond between the two is another matter.

It's unlikely what they demonstrate would be the final machine.
But I don't think it would be a big jump to have a similar system laying bricks and mortar.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 29 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You cannot insert rebar into concrete, the individual bars need to be tied, in-situ, to each other, or are welded to each other prior to arrival on site, even then the individual components still need to be tied to each other.

A properly reinforced concrete wall will have a series of shaped steel loops, in the horizontal and vertical planes, all tied to each other and tied to the reinforcement rising from the base/foundations. The reinforcement needs a 20 - 50mm covering of concrete, depending on the wall dimensions.

Where was the aggregate in the concrete, being layered up, and how would it fit through the nozzle?
If there had been aggregate in the "layered" wall, the "wall" would have slumped under its own weight!

That layered wall, shown in the video, could never be used as a load bearing section, it has virtually no shear strength.
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