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PostPosted: 17:07 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: K5 Kwak 636 vs K4 GSXR 1000 Reply with quote

If your choice was between these, which one and why? Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

K4 GSXR750.. good compromise. GSXRs are a bit chavvy though.. especially those in blue Wink
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maggot wrote:
K4 GSXR750.. good compromise. GSXRs are a bit chavvy though.. especially those in blue Wink


Thank you, but I'm only interested in the two mentioned bikes. Neither of them in blue Smile))
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends on what you will be using it for. I'd be with G when it comes to using a bike for commuting I'd rather the 1000 for laziness. If I was going for fun then I'd go for the 636.

I've got a ZX9R which would be great on the track, but it's a little much for the road. I've already been in court because of it once and it really seems like a waste not to be revving the hell out of it. I'd probably prefer a 600 or 750 in hindsight.

I'm not saying that litre bikes aren't fun, but I feel like I need to be trying to kill myself to have fun. It's either boring or you're riding in a way that'll get you in trouble.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluezedd wrote:
It really depends on what you will be using it for. I'd be with G when it comes to using a bike for commuting I'd rather the 1000 for laziness. If I was going for fun then I'd go for the 636.

I've got a ZX9R which would be great on the track, but it's a little much for the road. I've already been in court because of it once and it really seems like a waste not to be revving the hell out of it. I'd probably prefer a 600 or 750 in hindsight.

I'm not saying that litre bikes aren't fun, but I feel like I need to be trying to kill myself to have fun. It's either boring or you're riding in a way that'll get you in trouble.


I have had a couple of 636s before, they are very fun and fast the only problem is that they are very uncomfortable and I have found the Suzuki GSX R is a very comfortable bike for me. Issue is the 1000 is HEAVY on insurance whereas 636 is cheap. I commute and play on the bikes, though would dread long rides on the 636.

I love Kawasaki over the shoddy build quality of Suzuki, but for more fun (power) and comfort I am seriously considering the 'upgrade'. Just wanted to be sure whether financial rape will be worth it, hence the interest in the forum's opinions.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say 636, if you want to have joy of riding something fast.
GSXR if you want to use about 30% of what it's capable of most of the time you're on it. Not many of us can use a 1000cc in-line four and those that can, mostly do track days.

I've got ZXRP1 and I'd say the bike could be a bit slower, I don't need that much of power. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
I'd say 636, if you want to have joy of riding something fast.
GSXR if you want to use about 30% of what it's capable of most of the time you're on it. Not many of us can use a 1000cc in-line four and those that can, mostly do track days.

I've got ZXRP1 and I'd say the bike could be a bit slower, I don't need that much of power. Thumbs Up


You make perfect sense & I agree with your entire post.

I'm factoring 1) comfort 2) ego.

1) 636 is known to me as the 'back breaker' as it hurts so much my lower back. The gsxr is not as harsh.

2) when on ride outs, my previous 636 just couldnt keep up with the thous as they tore away upon accelerating; I'd be constantly in the red just to keep up...

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PostPosted: 18:26 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerGirlonGirl wrote:


I have had a couple of 636s before, they are very fun and fast the only problem is that they are very uncomfortable and I have found the Suzuki GSX R is a very comfortable bike for me. Issue is the 1000 is HEAVY on insurance whereas 636 is cheap. I commute and play on the bikes, though would dread long rides on the 636.

I love Kawasaki over the shoddy build quality of Suzuki, but for more fun (power) and comfort I am seriously considering the 'upgrade'. Just wanted to be sure whether financial rape will be worth it, hence the interest in the forum's opinions.


Why are you dismissing the 750? Everything you have written suggests a 750 would be more suited.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

just go and get the 1000,
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerGirlonGirl wrote:


You make perfect sense & I agree with your entire post.

I'm factoring 1) comfort 2) ego.

1) 636 is known to me as the 'back breaker' as it hurts so much my lower back. The gsxr is not as harsh.

2) when on ride outs, my previous 636 just couldnt keep up with the thous as they tore away upon accelerating; I'd be constantly in the red just to keep up...

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Part of the solution could be to start riding for yourself rather than trying to keep up with others pace! Seems a daft reason to change your bike if that's all this is about?!
If comfort is what you want then a sports tourer with more upright riding position and larger fairing would probably be a better bet.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shereen - I just dont like them. Crazy but true.

I love the black 636, but hurts my back.

Seen a hot limited edition black & gold k4 thou but it hurts my finances.

It's probably obe of the two, and since insurance is £100 a month cheaper, it's likely to be 636. But I'm very, very tempted by the obe limited edition black & gold gsxr thou.

I know, I'm my own problem.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerGirlonGirl wrote:
Shereen - I just dont like them. Crazy but true.


Am I missing something here?

What don't you like about them? They look exactly the same apart from the engine differences.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

gotta agree with with the GSXR750 choice as it seems to suit what your asking even though your not intersted in it

me im lazy on the bike so id rather have the thou and never have to work its bit like winning £500,000 on the lotttery i couldnt retire on that but on £1,500,000 i could happily retire

GET THE GSXR 750 K4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerGirlonGirl wrote:

2) when on ride outs, my previous 636 just couldnt keep up with the thous as they tore away upon accelerating; I'd be constantly in the red just to keep up...

Sounds like you want the 1000 then.

Personally, I'd go for (and indeed did, well a K6) the 1000 if I wanted a boring easy to ride bike with a relatively comfortable position that got me from A to B very quickly.
If I wanted one that had a bit more involvement, the 636. For me having to keep the revs in red to keep is the fun bit. Being able to be lazy and just open it up in whatever gear is one step away from just getting a chauffeur Razz.

I don't see why you dismiss the 750? What about the GSXR600 too, if you want the comfort with the smaller engine?
However, it does sound like fast with no effort appeals to you and the thousand does that best.
If you can, I'd try and hold out for a K5/K6. Oh and don't take 'special edition' to mean anything at all, bar if you like the colours and that's important to you.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerGirlonGirl wrote:
It's probably obe of the two, and since insurance is £100 a month cheaper, it's likely to be 636. But I'm very, very tempted by the obe limited edition black & gold gsxr thou..


£100 a month cheaper..... saving £1200 a year... What on earth are your quotes for both bikes?

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PostPosted: 19:46 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Missed that it said month. When I had it insured individually a few years ago, a GSXR1000 K6 was £130 TPFT or £160 FC. Ebike insurance wanted £100 pm for it (in total, with a couple of other bikes) - no chance I'd be paying near that much.

Frankly, anything more than £50pm and I'd be look for a cheaper bike personally - but, obviously different people value things differently!
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
BikerGirlonGirl wrote:

2) when on ride outs, my previous 636 just couldnt keep up with the thous as they tore away upon accelerating; I'd be constantly in the red just to keep up...

Sounds like you want the 1000 then.


Wow, what do you mean it couldn't keep up? How fast did your mates go? Shocked
You should try to use the gearbox a bit more, check this older video of ZX6R and tell me your motorcycle was slow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYNkZt3P2ZU
If you can push a 600 as fast as the lad in that video, then go for something bigger, if not, then I think it's time to accept the fact, that you are not that good at riding as you thought you were.

EDIT: Start the video at 0:40 Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never ridden a Suzuki sportsbike post SRAD era, but if you have a green 636, with the BPF suspension, then you must be mentally deranged to even consider leaving the big K to own a fecking Suzuki IMO! Wink

I heard of a guy with a 2001 R6 in a similar situation as you describe, i.e. always riding with mates on litre bikes on the road. He complained that he had to hammer the R6 everywhere to keep up, but keep up he did, even though he said he'd knackered the cylinder head due to valve seat recession in 20k miles.

The blokes all rode like lunatics on straight roads and did shocking overtakes, and were basically a bunch of twats. I suspect that none of the litre bike owners would have been any faster at best around a circuit than the R6 geezer, especially as some of the blokes had Blackbirds and ZX12's which are hardly good track bikes, just straightliners!
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigger is always better to me.

Have it and don't use it rather than need it and don't have it.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I've never ridden a Suzuki sportsbike post SRAD era, but if you have a green 636, with the BPF suspension, then you must be mentally deranged to even consider leaving the big K to own a fecking Suzuki IMO! Wink

I heard of a guy with a 2001 R6 in a similar situation as you describe, i.e. always riding with mates on litre bikes on the road. He complained that he had to hammer the R6 everywhere to keep up, but keep up he did, even though he said he'd knackered the cylinder head due to valve seat recession in 20k miles.

The blokes all rode like lunatics on straight roads and did shocking overtakes, and were basically a bunch of twats. I suspect that none of the litre bike owners would have been any faster at best around a circuit than the R6 geezer, especially as some of the blokes had Blackbirds and ZX12's which are hardly good track bikes, just straightliners!


Quality post. That just cemented the desire to stick to the big K 😃

Just need to find a way to reduce the back ache, as the last two hot 636 I had bust my back.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think big engines are great for touring, naked beasts, lazy grunting along B-roads and for pub car park banter too.

But for really fast riding, track day's and getting the most of a bike handling wise smaller engined bikes are better if they have a great chassis at least.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you knew they were uncomfortable, yet asked more advice on them in another thread and wanted to go ahead with that purchase.

Odd... Confused
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kwak sportsbike for a lairy motherfucker Very Happy

GSXR's for posers.

Pick a side and stick with it.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 03 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really love all the contributions in response to my OP. Thank you all Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

G et al. the voice of reason seldom speaks nonsense.

Shereen, I have found the fairing/nose cone on gixxer 750 differs a little to that of the 1000, of course this is mainly when comparing the only model I can afford - K3/K4. For a chunky looking bike, I am superficial in expecting only a big engine in it.

Then only real appeal of the GSXR 1000 limited edition is A) the colour scheme,, and B) the comfort, as well as having balls to the wall power if ever I feel suicidal (which is a frequent sentiment).

However, I prefer the look; feel; crazy aggression of the 2005/6 Kawasaki 636 - it has always been my favourite. The only ba5tard of it is I will spend lots on therapy for my back.

As CaNsA said, stick to a side, and I guess it's still going to have to be my beloved 636 (and love truly hurts).

Thanks peeps, love ya! Wub
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