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| Quote: | The Conservatives would be better off if Scotland voted for independence because it would help the party get a majority in Westminster, Sir John Major has said.
Sir John – the last Conservative leader to win a general election outright more than two decades ago – said it was in the Tories interests if Scotland voted to break with the rest of the UK in 2014.
However he made clear that while Scottish independence might suit the Tories politically it would be a disaster for the United Kingdom.
In words that have just surfaced, Sir John told a journalists’ lunch in Westminster two weeks ago: “From a purely partisan political point of view, the Conservative party would be much better placed without Scotland because some where down the line we have mislaid our Scottish votes.
“From a purely political point of view we would be better off without Scotland but the UK would not – the UK needs Scotland it ought to have Scotland.”
Sir John, who was Prime Minister from 1990 to 1997, continued: “It will be a no vote in Scotland [next year] and I think it will be very bad news for Scotland but very bad news for the United Kingdom if Scotland were to leave.
“You can’t suddenly have large bits of your country falling off without finding yourself diminished in every international forum that exists – whether it is Europe, or the United Nations or whatever it is.
“If Scotland went, the UK would be diminished. Heaven alone knows what we will do for an army without Scotland, that would be a big loss. And also there is a huge amount of Scottish talent.” |
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Scotland has the highest ratio of gingers to humans in the world. All the smart, hale and healthy folk sodded off centuries ago. Last I heard, over 50% of "working" Scotch "work" for the State in some manner, and choosing between the two main parties is like picking Marxism or Lenninism.
When the oil and gas become uneconomical to extract - look at Grangemouth teetering on the brink - the Scotch economy will be booze, tartan, and doing each others' washing in order to pay for an ailing, ageing population of peely-wally whingers (he said, fully aware of the irony).
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| Copycat73 wrote: | | Lord Percy wrote: | I do wonder why people so adamantly believe Scotland would fall to pieces if they chose to break away from the UK. It's like saying every country in the world should be failing, for the same reason that they aren't part of the UK.
The population of Scotland is only 5 million. Won't be that hard to look after everyone, surely? |
I think the reference is to Scotland`s previous financial history pre act of union 1707.
"In Scotland, it was claimed that union would enable Scotland to recover from the financial disaster wrought by the Darien scheme" ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Union_1707
"The colonization project that became known as the Darien Scheme or Darien Disaster was an unsuccessful attempt by the Kingdom of Scotland to become a world trading nation..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme
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yeah pretty disastrous, though the initial idea was good, what killed it was England didn't want to upset Spain
and the very powerful English East India company who feared it would lose trade to Scotland
| Quote: | In the face of opposition by English commercial interests, the Company of Scotland raised subscriptions in Amsterdam, Hamburg and London for the scheme.[4] For his part, King William III had given only lukewarm support to the whole Scottish colonial endeavour.[a] England was at war with France and hence did not want to offend Spain which claimed the territory as part of New Granada. It was also under pressure from the English East India Company, who were keen to maintain their monopoly over English foreign trade.[6] It therefore forced the English and Dutch investors to withdraw. Next, the East India Company threatened legal action on the grounds that the Scots had no authority from the king to raise funds outside the English realm, and obliged the promoters to refund subscriptions to the Hamburg investors. This left no source of finance but Scotland itself. |
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| Rogerborg wrote: |
When the oil and gas become uneconomical to extract |
| Copycat73 wrote: | a significant part to the scenario..
but its Alex Salmond and his spending plans ... that could force an increase property taxes after independence because of his plan to make Scotland an economic powerhouse .... |
well the one good thing is we have lots of weather that means Scotland is a great place for alternative energy
we have ideal locations for wind and wave power not to mention good locations for Nuclear stations throw in the hydro stations
we can then sell the power to England and at current prices we are Quids in
not to mention the tourist / agriculture / livestock farming / fishing / whisky and lots of other industry's that can make money
Scotland could be a lot better off on its own
hell we can't be any worse off that we are under the current system
| Quote: | The production of renewable energy in Scotland is an issue that has come to the fore in technical, economic, and political terms during the opening years of the 21st century.[1] The natural resource base for renewable energy is extraordinary by European, and even global standards, with the most important potential sources being wind, wave, and tide.
At the end of 2011, there was 4,796 megawatts (MW) of installed renewables electricity capacity in Scotland, an increase of 9.5 per cent (416 MW) on the end of 2010. Renewable electricity generation in 2011 was a record high at 13,750 GWh – an increase of 44.5 per cent on 2010. Around 35 per cent of Scotland's electricity came from renewables in 2011, exceeding the Scottish Government's target of 31 per cent. Scotland contributed almost 40 per cent of the UK's renewables output in 2011.[2]
Continuing improvements in engineering and economics are enabling more of the renewable resources to be utilised. Fears regarding peak oil and climate change have driven the subject high up the political agenda and are also encouraging the use of various biofuels. Although the finances of many projects remain either speculative or dependent on market incentives, it is probable that there has been a significant, and in all likelihood long-term change, in the underpinning economics.[3]
In addition to planned increases in both large-scale generating capacity and microsystems using renewable sources, various related schemes to reduce carbon emissions are being researched.[4] Although there is significant support from the public, private and community-led sectors, concerns about the effect of the technologies on the natural environment have been expressed. There is also an emerging political debate about the relationship between the siting, and the ownership and control of these widely distributed resources.[5] |
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| Dydey90 wrote: | I can tell you that there is not nearly 14GW of renewable energy in Scotland. I doubt there's much much in the entire UK and a lot of it comes from the hydro plants in Wales. The entire peak national demand for the UK and Ireland is just over 40GW, no way are renewables that high. |
| Quote: | Scotland has over 45 per cent of the UK's renewable energy installations, producing 4,600MW of the UK's 10,000MW renewable capacity. The Scottish Government has shown great leadership through its visionary aim to meet 100 per cent of Scotland's total electricity demand through renewable energy generation by 2020. The value of meeting that production in terms of renewable energy exports is close to £2bn per year.
With its research expertise, industrial innovation and extensive natural resource base, Scotland has the potential to become a world leader in the low-carbon energy sector, and is well placed to benefit from the wealth of EU-funding opportunities in this field. SEGEC is committed to securing sustainable economic growth in this sector, building on Scotland's strengths, and maximising the economic and environmental benefits of its low-carbon energy resources. |
| Quote: | The purpose of this study was to determine Scotland's potential for biomass energy production, and what role it could play in contributing to Scotland's renewable energy needs.
We found that short rotation coppice (SRC) could potentially produce up to 3.3 GW of electricity, thereby supplying up to 31% of Scotland's current domestic electric energy requirement of 10.5 GW, and could supply 5.71 GW of energy through combined heat and power (CHP). Forest residues have the potential to produce 0.94 GW of electricity, thereby accounting for 9% of Scotland's electricity requirements, and up to 1.64 GW of energy through CHP.
SRC could displace about 6 Mt C from fuel oil and thereby reduce annual CO2 emissions by 22 Mt yr-1 (15% decrease of 1999 emissions) by replacing fossil fuels for energy generation. Forest residues could reduce CO2 emissions by 6.5 Mt (4% decrease of 1999 emissions).
When compared to other renewables, bioenergy (SRC plus forest residues) has about the same potential as tidal, about half the potential of wave and about 1/5th the potential of wind energy. Our figures suggest that bioenergy should form part of a diverse renewables portfolio for Scotland. |
I can quote multiple sources from the UK government, EU, world that tell the same thing
Scotland has the potential to be self sufficient and sell excess energy to the rest of the Uk and Europe
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| bazza wrote: | And I have the potential to fuck porn stars every night and beat the bejaysus out of Chuck Norris whenever I feel like it.
Like your fantasy scenario, however, it'll never happen. For exactly the same reason. |
hmm the BBC and the UK government seen to disagree with you
| Quote: | Renewable energy sources in Scotland have passed interim targets for meeting the nation's demand for power, figures have shown.
The data comes from the Department of Energy and Climate Change.
The Whitehall department said wind and hydro power reached 36% of Scotland's electricity consumption last year, passing the 31% target set for 2011.
January to September this year also saw a 15% growth in output of wind, hydro and other renewable sources.
Last year's figures represent nearly 40% of all the UK's renewable output, with more than a quarter of its output exported.
The DECC figures also point to the growth in renewables share compared with other means of generating electricity.
In 2010, the sector produced less than a fifth of the total production, and by last year, that rose to 27%. Only nuclear, with a 33% share, had more, while coal fell from 29% to 21%.
Jenny Hogan, of Scottish Renewables, said: "These figures confirm that Scotland's renewables industry is making a huge impact on how we meet our energy needs.
"Not only is our electricity greener than ever before, it is being generated by a home-grown industry with lots of companies investing in Scotland and supporting thousands of jobs too."
Encouraging progress
Scotland's Energy Minister Fergus Ewing said the data puts Scotland on track to reach its target for renewable power of 50% of the country's power needs by 2015.
"These figures show that renewable energy in Scotland is going from strength to strength, confirming that 2011 was a record year for generation in Scotland and that 2012 looks set to be even better," he said. |
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