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daffy
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 05 Nov 2013    Post subject: a new helmet Reply with quote

browsing ebay i spotted this on a midland dealers advert
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We have noticed various American DOT listings for the "Lorenzo Graffiti RPHA10" but please be aware that these do not comply to the ECE22.05 specification, therefore are not legal in the UK and Europe. They also fit differently, carry no warranty and most importantly would fail European helmet tests. Please contact for more information.


now i understand they wont test to the same safety ratings in america but surely the helmet will be exactly the same as those sold in Europe and made in the same Chinese factory.
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Mr_T
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 05 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: a new helmet Reply with quote

daffy wrote:
now i understand they wont test to the same safety ratings in america but surely the helmet will be exactly the same as those sold in Europe and made in the same Chinese factory.


Nope. Americans have different shaped heads and stricter tests - so what you end up with is a heavier helmet that fits differently.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 05 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stricter tests? I thought most of them didn't even wear a lid?
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 05 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

helmet city
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•5 year limited Warranty
•Meets or exceeds SNELL & D.O.T. standards


Interesting reading on how the standards vary
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 05 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear in mind that SNELL are selling a product, so take their analysis with a pinch of salt. I quite like DOT and would wear one.

Thing is, my Nitro "22.05" helmet isn't, as it doesn't have exactly the required markings. Strictly speaking, I am breaking the law by wearing it, and I expect many of you fine chaps will be too.

But I'll never be prosecuted or convicted, as it "is of a type manufactured for use by persons on motor cycles which by virtue of its shape, material and construction could reasonably be expected to afford to the wearer a degree of protection from accidental injury similar to or greater than that provided by a helmet of a type prescribed by [regulations]".

I'd argue that any DOT marked helmet would fall under the same get-out clause.

Not that it'll ever be an issue except perhaps in a civil liability claim.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 05 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Bear in mind that SNELL are selling a product, so take their analysis with a pinch of salt. I quite like DOT and would wear one.


I seriously dislike SNELL. UK car racing helmets are required to have a SNELL 2010 rating. What that does is makes a crappy helmet somehow cost 5x the price.

A bog standard entry level helmet for motor racing starts from about £250, and for that you get lining that would be called unsuitable on a £30 bike helmet.

I get that car racing and bike helmets differ slightly (smaller aperture, stiffer shell, thicker visor), but I really do not understand the price differential! Arai are a great example - cheapest fully approved car helmet £750, bike which looks astoundingly similar £270.
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