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jjdugen
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: All round vision mirror. Reply with quote
https://www.huntercreate.com/

Anyone any experience of these? Looks a bit outlandish but a good idea?
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mentioned on here plenty of times, think Rogerborg has one?

Wouldn't work on a sports bike, so I haven't bothered.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Look on youtube for roadcraft nottingham he uses one and he seems to say it shows your blindspots quite well.
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd rather just shoulder check - if I had this installed I'd check the normal mirror - then look down at the riderscan... then do a quick check over my shoulder anyway.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ride faster than everyone else and then nothing should be in your blind spot so you can pull out safely Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paddy. wrote:
Mentioned on here plenty of times, think Rogerborg has one?

He does.

He's found that it got a decent fitting system, but it needs a fair amount of screen available to fit it. It won't really fit on the standard screen on a GPZ500S or F650GS without obscuring the instruments, for example, or you'd need the bar mounting kit which would put it low down. Read on for his issues with that.

He'd then opine that it's pretty well designed and put together, and works as advertised, giving very wide angled vision. You can actually see things in it that are slightly ahead of the bike.

However, he'd have a couple of caveats.

First, he'd note that while it does give that wide angle, most of it isn't useful, since it's full of either you, or the road far to the side of the bike that you can already see. The actual portions of it that show the blind spots are relatively small, and you have to learn where they are.

Second, he finds it tricky to remember to look in it, since his ingrained routine is to look to the side into the bar or fairing mirror, and then move his eyes and head further around in the same direction to look over-the-shoulder.

The Riderscan queers that progression, making it: look in bar mirror, then back to the Riderscan in the centre of the bike to find those small areas that show you the blind spots, and then you really still have to do a final over-the-shoulder anyway, since the Riderscan can only confirm that something is there, not that something isn't. Having it up on a screen at much the same height as the bar mirrors means it's a right-left-right (or vice versa) eye/head movement. If you had to buy the bar mount kit and put it low down directly on the bars then you'd have to throw vertical movement in there too which would exacerbate the issue, in his opinion.

While he accepts that sounds a bit negative, he would note that there have been a couple of times when using it has shown something in the blind spot that he'd naughtily assumed wasn't there from a regular glance in the mirror. His shoulder checks would probably have saved him anyway, but it only really needs to save you once to more than pay for itself.

His verdict would be: works as advertised, but you really have to try it out to know if it's going to be a valuable tool for your particular bike and style of obs. No strong recommendation either way.

Finally, he'd add that if someone were to make auxiliary wide angled mirrors that could be mounted next to and in addition to regular bike mirrors, he'd be on them like Operation Yewtree on a nonce. He'd explain that he's not talking about ones that stick on to the existing mirror glass (which would be a trade off) or ones that clamp on to an existing mirror, since those are designed to work with car mirrors with a big lip.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Didn't a BCFer from many moons ago invent this?

Or did I dream that?
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm sure it was a guy from Ayr (I could be wrong) called Steven Hunter.
I got 1 for my YBR last year. Had it mounted on the screen, which did obscure the instruments a bit. Broke the screen and never bothered to refit.
I can take it or leave it. Forgot to use it a lot of the time. And even still, I'd never rely on it. Although it is useful, its no substitute for a good ol' shoulder check.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Didn't a BCFer from many moons ago invent this?

He was on here making us "aware" of it.

I'm OK with it and got a bit of a <proudface.jpg> from supporting a UK inventor. However, I wouldn't miss it if it weren't there.

I really would prefer blindspot mirrors out on the stalks, but haven't yet found an ideal implementation of that for a bike.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ive got one, it works and imo a very usefull tool. that said its hard to fit it on some bikes lke my 954
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have one, it's...ok. I still do a shoulder check anyway so it's a bit meh.

Far too expensive for what it is though.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
However, I wouldn't miss it if it weren't there.


That's quite the endorsement, where do I sign up for 5?
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Haven't got one ...... but for a nooby check I believe the "riderscan" is a good idea.

I am very much in the habit of doing lifesavers as I "hope" all BCF'ers are, if not then riderscan is a good thing to have.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
All-round vision in a car is 100x worse than on a bike without one of these. The guy should make a kit for cars with a rearward 180 degree camera on the roof Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
To be frank, if you are doing your obs properly, this un-necessary.

The only times I've been caught out is by a bike coming up stupidly fast behind me (on the inside) whilst I was swapping from forward to mirror...
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 30 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm selling a Riderscan for anyone interested. Completely unblemished as new just requires you to apply some sticky goop type stuff to the 'feet' as I've had it mounted and removed already. Shouldn't be too hard, you're not a biker unless you can figure a way to bodge a gadget onto your ride.

Reason I'm selling is it's simply not for me, I found myself not using it because shoulder checks are just drilled into me so it's better off someone else having a go for a bargain price.

I'm asking a measly £20 plus postage and packing, that makes it less than half the (astonishing) price on the official website.

I can supply a photo if required but like I say it's as new with no scratches or rust.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 30 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
So you're selling it because it was the most pointless thing ever, and because shoulder checks are free Wink
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 30 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
It works if you re-train yourself to use it. I still reckon the right price point is £10 from Wing Wang's House o' Imports, but it's not there yet and half price is pretty good.
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