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PostPosted: 20:29 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: And people still think the gubberment run the country.... Reply with quote
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This clause is intended to protect foreign investors from discrimination by governments. In practice it means that companies will have the right to sue foreign governments if they don't like the local legislation.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/06/david-cameron-eu-us-trade-deal-investor-state-dispute-settlement
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think this comment sums the government and us up quite nicely:

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I keep saying it on CiF, and will continue to keep saying it.

Our politicians are simply just service managers for the banks and corporations who now rule the world. We have no voice, no representation. We are powerless.

They have destroyed democracy. It doesn't matter who is President, Prime minister, Chancellor. It doesn't matter what party you vote for, it doesn't matter if you vote left or right, whoever gets elected, they only ever represent one group of people, the ruling elite. Elections come and go, prime ministers and presidents come and go, different party's come and go, and the agenda never changes. The rich get richer, and everyone else gets poorer.

Because the people who own this country, also own our politicians. Our politicians are only there to give us the illusion of choice and delude us into believing we live in a democracy. We don't.. We have no choice. We have no power. We have no voice. We are all disenfranchised.

Our democracy has been stolen by an extremely rich, powerful cartel who only care about themselves.


What an absolute sham; though I can't say I'm surprised.

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42 views, 1 reply.

Sums up the population IMO.
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Hang on, Hetzer needs to shoplift some Special Brew before he can get into his THIEVING CV​NTS groove.

Me, I'm fairly OK with repressive commie regimes being told to knock it off and stop thinking of the children.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
CaNsA wrote:
42 views, 1 reply.

Sums up the population IMO.


Maybe it's because no-one (here anyway) is surprised, there have been loads of discussions on BCF about the corruption of democracy and commodification of power by the ruling/monied/corporate classes.

There was a debate on Jeremy Vine today about how Quantitative Easing has cost all of us, £32billion and yet only a tiny percentage of people (bankers etc) have benefited while the rest of us still struggle and have yet to feel any change for the better. And there are till 2million people out of work. The question asked was, wouldn't it have been better to give every man, woman, child £6,000 to spend as they liked (pay off debt, start a business, buy a big telly/car/motorbike?). The would have stimulated retail, led to greater employment, reduced debt and increased personal wealth.

Sadly though the main reaction of contributors to the debate sank to saying things like "Well that wouldn't be fair, why should Richard Branson get the same amount as me?". Missing the point that as ever, the (very) few profit to stratospheric proportions while the majority scratch around for peanuts.

So, no wish to hijack any debate, about the Investor State Dispute Settlement mechanism, however the rather over-wordy article is a complicated way of saying Governments serve the interests of big business not the people.

Well everyone here knew that already.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
giving everyone £6k would just about balance out the real time drop in wages over the last 5 years
with the annual 10% rise in prices for gas / electric / water / petrol and other such price rises in the same period
as wages have been basically stagnant or in a lot of cases dropping in real terms
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
So, no wish to hijack any debate, about the Investor State Dispute Settlement mechanism, however the rather over-wordy article is a complicated way of saying Governments serve the interests of big business not the people.

Well everyone here knew that already.


It's not just that....

This bit of European legislation would effectively make every bit of UK legislation not worth the keyboard it was typed on.

Handing the country over to the multi-national corporations on a silver fucking platter, with a marching band and salutes all round.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:


There was a debate on Jeremy Vine today about how Quantitative Easing has cost all of us, £32billion and yet only a tiny percentage of people (bankers etc) have benefited.


*£375 billion, so far.

Makes you wonder if they backed the right horse...
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 06 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
mr jamez wrote:
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:


There was a debate on Jeremy Vine today about how Quantitative Easing has cost all of us, £32billion and yet only a tiny percentage of people (bankers etc) have benefited.


*£375 billion, so far.

Makes you wonder if they backed the right horse...


who has the £375bn now Hmm oh I know the banks, the f***s that lost all our money in the first place Thumbs Up
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Just a simpler way to privatise public money. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 05:09 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
mr jamez wrote:
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:


There was a debate on Jeremy Vine today about how Quantitative Easing has cost all of us, £32billion and yet only a tiny percentage of people (bankers etc) have benefited.


*£375 billion, so far.

Makes you wonder if they backed the right horse...


This steeplechase was set up for their benefit. The peasants are set up to fail at every hurdle. It's a rigged game. It always has been, but this on is more rigged than usual. A few more rigged races to extract the remaining money from the gullible that still have any money left for the races, and then the whole shebang can collapse, after those that count have done a runner with all the real wealth, invested in commodities somewhere offshore. Then when property values fall to peanuts, and no one else has any money left, they buy the lot up for a peanut or two.

Same old, same old.

Keep your powder dry, to quote our colonial cousins.
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So what you going to do about it?

Same as always.................... Diddley Squat.

We all know the nasty men have all the money and protect themselves.
We could always have a revolution, then guess what? A new bad man gets all the money and protects himself with the rest of the bad men.

But we can always put another thread up about the bad people. Sleeping
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So what you going to do about it?

Same as always.................... Diddley Squat.
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NO YOU WILL DO DIDDLEY SQUAT

You are part of the problem.

Do not assume your own prejudices and apathy reflect those of others.

What did I do?

#1 I closed down my business, this business was a fantastic cash cow for the government. I was being pounded relentlessly by VAT demands, business rate demands, NIC EERs and Corporate tax.

As a result I have starved the government of a lot of tax. I pay considerably less tax as a private contractor. This is incredibly damaging to the government. It is essentially a tax strike think of it as work to rule.

#2 I am in the process of finishing my MA costing the government money. I have also been interviewing for a number of overseas jobs, granted this means I will just be in a different country working for other government thugs. But I'm not sitting doing nothing.

I do some other legal things which I want to keep private.

while what do you do? You just take it up the arse from the government and encourage others to do the same.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So in your case, if you can't beat them, join them, fair enough.

I love it when people who fight for their common man, yet call everyone a sheep or part of the problem, only to ostracize themselves even more from getting people to perform an action.



Your assumptions fail completely, you think I joined the ranks of the unemployed? Though that is a valid option of course... I felt gouged and felt as if I was a tax cash cow to the government.

I stopped this gouging it was in MY BEST INTERESTS, much to the detriment of the government coffers.

Secondly who said I am fighting for the common man? I fight for myself and my immediate family. I make rational choices, I compare things and wonder how things can be better, REALISTIC things.


Over throwing the government?

Not a chance.

Looking at other countries and comparing taxes and life styles?

A definite possibility an option quite a few have taken.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:


There was a debate on Jeremy Vine today about how Quantitative Easing has cost all of us, £32billion and yet only a tiny percentage of people (bankers etc) have benefited while the rest of us still struggle and have yet to feel any change for the better. And there are till 2million people out of work. The question asked was, wouldn't it have been better to give every man, woman, child £6,000 to spend as they liked (pay off debt, start a business, buy a big telly/car/motorbike?). The would have stimulated retail, led to greater employment, reduced debt and increased personal wealth.



It cost a LOT more than that! 375bn was printed.

Which meant 250bn was lost every year on bank deposit interest.

Pension investments also cratered, while insurance companies did not get good returns on their investments which meant they had to make it up somehow. They did this by increasing the premium for everybody.
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So you're not much better than the system you despise.

I'm sure every politician/ ceo is just trying to the the ''best for them and they're family''

so as I'll reiterate, can't beat them, join them, however much you dress it up.


In a sense yes.

The difference is the weight of repercussions of somebody's actions.

So I shut my business down? my employees lost their jobs. A very small number of people, they were not paid min wage btw they were paid a fair bit more.


While lets say the politician, say Blair, he did what is best for his family. He took a bribe to wage war against brown people. As a result millions died and were wounded.

He also took a bribe to get a loan for an Indian. This loan would destroy British jobs, 10000s of British jobs were lost as a result of this.

Or HSBC with their drug cartel money laundering and mercenary army. (they got caught)

JPMorgan manipulate the energy market pushing bills up for everybody.

The big banks increased the price of food for 6.2bn people.




Yet somehow the level of harm is the same?
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fatpies wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:


So you're not much better than the system you despise.

I'm sure every politician/ ceo is just trying to the the ''best for them and they're family''

so as I'll reiterate, can't beat them, join them, however much you dress it up.


In a sense yes.

The difference is the weight of repercussions of somebody's actions.

So I shut my business down? my employees lost their jobs. A very small number of people, they were not paid min wage btw they were paid a fair bit more.


While lets say the politician, say Blair, he did what is best for his family. He took a bribe to wage war against brown people. As a result millions died and were wounded.

He also took a bribe to get a loan for an Indian. This loan would destroy British jobs, 10000s of British jobs were lost as a result of this.

Or HSBC with their drug cartel money laundering and mercenary army. (they got caught)

JPMorgan manipulate the energy market pushing bills up for everybody.

The big banks increased the price of food for 6.2bn people.




Yet somehow the level of harm is the same?


Are you seriously trying to have an intelligent conversation/make intelligent points with a skip-licker?! Laughing
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*£375 billion, so far.


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It cost a LOT more than that! 375bn was printed
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 07 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well then,YOU are part of the problem, don't slate others when you do as much damage to one persons life, as others do to thousands.

Unless you are completely guilt free of causing someone else distress while you are making life better for yourself, you are as bad as them on top.



How does losing your job in the UK compare to the aftermath of Iraq part deux? I'm guessing you don't get JSA in Iraq, or benefits for your missing limbs...

People like Fatpies are part of the solution.
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