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PostPosted: 11:17 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: London riders 'most inconsiderate' Reply with quote

Laughing

https://www.london24.com/news/news/obit/london_motorcylists_most_inconsiderate_according_to_aa_poll_1_2987372
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Appearing from Nowhere" is quite inconsiderate, you are naughty. Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
"Appearing from Nowhere" is quite inconsiderate, you are naughty. Tut Tut
I feel as if I'm being impugned somehow.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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with those most caught out being female drivers and motorists over 65-years-old.


Says it all.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't help but feel this is maybe someone setting up their reasons to get Hi-viz made a requirement.
Get a few articles like this...suggest hi-viz on the back of it.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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London 24 wrote:
...57 per cent of car drivers were often surprised when a motorcycle appeared from nowhere, with those most caught out being female drivers and motorists over 65-years-old....
88 per cent of drivers said they always looked out for motorcyclists...
85 per cent admitted motorcyclists were sometimes hard to see...

Poor obs! Wink
Maybe a Think Bike! campaign require.
Oh wait? Embarassed Brick Wall

So only 3% of London car drivers actually see motorcyclists then.

Maybe, and I'm going out on a limb here, car drivers in London are the most unobservant and inconsiderate towards motorcyclists?

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PostPosted: 11:30 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blame the scooters. They're even inconsiderate to other bikes.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tl;dr People in cars don't/won't look for bikes, which is why there's more accidents

Expected solutions:
hi-vis mandatory
more license regulations
more power restrictions
studies into flashing beacons on all bikes
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dydey90 wrote:
...studies into flashing beacons on all bikes

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PostPosted: 12:18 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The poll revealed 92 per cent of car drivers recognised motorcyclists were vulnerable and always gave them more space.


Well the poll is fucking wrong Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dydey90 wrote:
tl;dr People in cars don't/won't look for bikes, which is why there's more accidents


No. The study quite clearly shows that 92% of drivers give bikers more space, the fault is with the bikers who appear from nowhere: "half of all drivers are often caught out by ‘invisible’ motorcycles".
You bikers are all the same, riding around on your invisible bikes and suddenly 'appearing' in front of drivers giving them no choice but to kill you to death.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbourner wrote:
...bikers are all the same, riding around on your invisible bikes and suddenly 'appearing' in front of drivers giving them no choice but to kill you to death.

Reminds me of the stories of trees that stand still at the side of the road for hundreds of years then suddenly leap out into the path of a chav car driver Wink
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol

I love the non-exsistance of a problem...
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: London riders 'most inconsiderate' Reply with quote

rac3r wrote:


Another spectacular attempt to confuse people with numbers...

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Overall, while two in five believed that motorcyclists were inconsiderate, this number increased in London (46 per cent) and south-east England (44 per cent), among women (43 per cent) and those aged 25-34 (49 per cent).


So 2 in 5 = 40% vs 46% in london... Oh my what a huge increase Confused Why can't reporters express numbers in the same format throughout articles in order to give a simple comparison?

Government spokespeople are worse though
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A Department for Transport spokesman said: “Motorcyclists account for just 1 per cent of traffic but 19 per cent of deaths on Britain’s roads and 30 bikers are killed or injured in accidents at junctions every day.

“We are determined to reduce this terrible toll.”


I hate the 'killed or injured'... it's utter nonsense to 'lump broken finger' in the same category as 'head fallen off'. To put it into context there were 1754 total road deaths in the UK in 2012, the implication of the ksi stat is that 10950 motorcyclists were killed (or near as damnit) at junctions alone...

Can't be all negative about that article though - it's about as pro-motorcycling as mainstream press ever gets. At least they say we reduce congestion and should be considered more.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where can I get an invisible motorbike?
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep seeing this statistic of "Only 1% of road traffic are motorcycles" but I can't find a source anywhere.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
They should be promoting two wheels rather than try and put people off. Whenever I'm on the M25, or in London I'm always bewildered by the lack of bikes and why so many people prefer to spend 2 to 4 hours a day stuck in traffic rather than use a bike and get an extra hour or two in bed in the mornings Confused



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PostPosted: 14:52 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dydey90 wrote:
I keep seeing this statistic of "Only 1% of road traffic are motorcycles" but I can't find a source anywhere.


It was yorkshire police about 15 years ago. I first heard it on a police camera action around the turn of the century.

I can't find any primary citation for it though.

<edit>So...

The percentage of deaths in 2012 was 18.7 were motorcyclists - rounded to 19% as per the article that bit seems reasonable.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/239790/ras40001.xls - 100/1754*328

Working on the 1% of road traffic bit...

<edit 2>From https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/tra01-traffic-by-road-class-and-region-miles

0.93% of the traffic (total miles travelled) - 100/302.6*2.8

If motorcyclists were 1% of traffic they'd be 20.1% of the dead in 2012 (assuming all else being equal). Seems like the sound bite is spot on...
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Dydey90 wrote:
I keep seeing this statistic of "Only 1% of road traffic are motorcycles" but I can't find a source anywhere.
It was yorkshire police about 15 years ago. I first heard it on a police camera action around the turn of the century.

I can't find any primary citation for it though.

<edit>So...

The percentage of deaths in 2012 was 18.7 were motorcyclists - rounded to 19% as per the article that bit seems reasonable.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/239790/ras40001.xls

Working on the 1% of road traffic bit...

Very Happy All I could get was BBC article about 1999 to 2010 deaths...
See BBC article click here.

It sounds now like one of those figures that gets passed around and taken as gospel without any verification.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Very Happy All I could get was BBC article about 1999 to 2010 deaths...
See BBC article click here.

It sounds now like one of those figures that gets passed around and taken as gospel without any verification.


Copied from my edits as these things get lost...

The percentage of deaths in 2012 was 18.7 were motorcyclists - rounded to 19% as per the article that bit seems reasonable.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/239790/ras40001.xls - 100/1754*328

Working on the 1% of road traffic bit...

From https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/tra01-traffic-by-road-class-and-region-miles

0.93% of the traffic (total miles travelled) - 100/302.6*2.8

If motorcyclists were 1% of traffic they'd be 20.1% of the dead in 2012 (assuming all else being equal). Seems like the sound bite is spot on...
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it should read "London car drivers least observant" Smile.
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No. The study quite clearly shows that 92% of drivers give bikers more space

No. The study absolutely does not say that!
What it does report is that they SAY they do.
A big difference Wink.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 11 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virtually everyone in London is inconsiderate - bikers, cagers, bus drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, everyone. Because if you weren't inconsiderate, you would never get from one place to another. It's war on the roads of London Laughing

Car drivers always get the hump at people on two wheels because we can get about quickly while they sit and fume in their tin boxes Laughing
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