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neilthewolf
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Bike owned by South Wales Police Reply with quote

Hi, I'm looking at buying a Honda VFR and have found one.
I've been to see it and its immaculate 08 plate 22k. the log book shows it was owned by South Wales Police it has a service printout with services carried out every 1500-2000 miles. There are no other details on this printout other than job numbers.
Has anyone ever come across a standard bike owned by a Police force before and is there anyway i could get more details of whats been carried out on the services. The Hpi check has come back fine but I'm a little scared.
Any advise or past experiences with this would be great.

Thanks

Neil
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

you probably wont be able to find out what the services consisted of but needless to say it will have had everything it ever needed and more. bikes worry police forces so they give them everything to minimise risk.

The only thing id be worried about is resprays after the decals are removed and damaged trim from equipement being fitted.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Bike owned by South Wales Police Reply with quote

neilthewolf wrote:

Has anyone ever come across a standard bike owned by a Police force before


Yes, my GSXR is ex-South Wales Police.

I got no service history with it, but I don't care about stuff like that. I just continued from where it would be in the schedule based on mileage.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keir wrote:
bikes worry police forces so they give them everything to minimise risk.

On knowledge or belief?

4,400 miles a year isn't much for a police bike. Must have spent a lot of time handing out tickets or picking up heads.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keir wrote:
bikes worry police forces so they give them everything to minimise risk.


Would love to know what you have based this on just so I can have a good laugh.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Keir wrote:
bikes worry police forces so they give them everything to minimise risk.

Would love to know what you have based this on just so I can have a good laugh.

Salt or butter on your Pass the popcorn ?
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Salt or butter on your Pass the popcorn ?


Watching my weight so salt please.

I'll just leave this here then... Wink
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 20 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would reckon at every 2000 miles it'd have a brand new air filter, all plugs replaced, oil change and filter a deep deep clean of it everywhere all bits lubed up where lube is required, bearings check etc etc etc everything!

If a rozzer came off the bike and the bike was found to be slightly faulty, just imagine how much compo he'd be entitled to?
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 20 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine was filthy inside and everything was done up very, very tight. I wouldn't count on them being serviced any better than one owned by a real person.

I'd just treat it like any other second hand bike tbh.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 20 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can imagine anything you like, of course.

On my second hand information, I imagine that's a 6-monthly kicking of the tyres and a quick eyeball of the brake pads. Maybe dumping the oil, might even throw a new filter in if there's one to hand and nothing better to do.

Copper-chum says that when they got Astra-pandas about a decade ago, that after a year it didn't matter whether it was a diesel or a petrol you grabbed the keys for: they both sounded like a bucket of spanners and belched black smoke due to "leave it for the day shift" maintenance.

That's Scotch though, each Force has their own policy. Some may even follow them.

Anyway, Keir has the real facts, let's see if he expands a bit.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 20 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Salt or butter on your Pass the popcorn ?


Watching my weight so salt please.

I'll just leave this here then... Wink

Lol pup, I opened that thread, then did something else and came back to read it, go to the bottom of the page and it was all "7 years since last post"......then I was all "Who has resurrected this thread Neutral" then I got to the last page and it was 4 years since last post...... Then I was all.....So how did I get here? Thinking

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PostPosted: 15:20 - 20 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Met police on my bikesafe day said their R1200RTs were poorly maintained, with a lot of vibes - but I no longer recall what exactly was out of tune, possibly throttle body sync. One mentioned he was very surprised at how smooth an R1200RT could be when he rode a non-Met one.

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PostPosted: 15:25 - 20 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd worry that an '08 police bike showing 22k miles was on its second trip round the clock.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 20 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SWP and Dyfed Powys do have several plain clothes vehicles, including bikes.

Some of these are used for CID and traffic duty, but there are some which are used for general training of officers and demo days for the public.

The ones used for CID and traffic are treated as general work horses much as the uniform cars and as such, shown a picture of a can of oil every 6 months or so, but the training and especially the demo ones are treated much much better.

Full service every year or recommended mileage whever the numbers match, if it is a 12 month, but 500 miles, it still gets a treat.

They are basically cosseted as these are the ones the public get to see as the nice toys the coppers get to play with (at least the law abiding ones of us, the naughty ones get a view of the day to day pandas Smile )

Source. My uncle used to be service manager in the local dealer, who had the maint and service contract for the local plod and used to deal with it all.

He even bought one of the ex-demo copper cars which was a peach with an average of 2.5K miles per year on it (and promptly sold it on to me), an A reg Montego (1984, yes, I am that old)

So, IMHO, you are onto a bargain, just be aware of the usual things when buying a bike with much lower than usual miles on it, it may be a tad tight if it has just been used for pootling about as this can give somethings more grief than caneing it on a daily basis.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 20 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet it's been really badly maintained and got loads of leeks..
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 22 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
I wouldn't count on them being serviced any better than one owned by a real person.

I'd just treat it like any other second hand bike tbh.


Id agree that it should still be treated like any other second hand bike and checked accordingly.

Police forces pay millions of pounds a year for maintenance contracts for their vehicles and each one has its own specified intervals. If its due a service it gets taken away to whoever holds the contracts workshop and serviced.
The money side of it is not an issue and as such if the vehicle needs something, it gets it.
As has been said already, can you imagine the compo plod driver would get if a vehicle failed and they were injured due to poor maintenance.

You have to remember though that although maintained very well, they are also used 24/7 and do not get the easiest life so there is a balance to be found.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably ctsu (counter terrorist surveillance unit) they sit around for hours watching their target, but only use the bikes to follow, not to persue
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Keir wrote:
If its due a service it gets taken away to whoever holds the contracts workshop and serviced.
The money side of it is not an issue and as such if the vehicle needs something, it gets it.

Please explain how you know that this is actually the case. Specifically for South Wales motorcycles.

Checking your sources?
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
I bet it's been really badly maintained and got loads of leeks..


Are they thrown in as part of the price, or are they extra?

I didn't know South Wales police were also expanding into farming.

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PostPosted: 21:52 - 23 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
...I didn't know South Wales police were also expanding into farming....

Maybe they're like scarecrows?. Outstanding in their field Wink
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