2pack paint spraying (compressor/tank)

[mysterious_rider]

Basically, I'm after the tank/compressor for a spraying setup. I plan to buy parts individually. I'd rather fork out for one of these rather than just cans as cans just don't seem to hold up to much abuse.

Is something like this any good? I know it's small... But for things like tanks and plastics It might be okay? Also how would I go about using two pack paint with it? I'd need a new spray gun right?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Complete-Airbrush-Kit-Compressor-With-Tank-AS186-/130512222762?pt=UK_Crafts_DrawingSupplies_EH&hash=item1e63227a2a

Just seems a bit too cheap to be true.

Any input is great. Cheers.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Err isn't the most important thing with 2 pack paint to have a proper breathing apparatus with an air feed (from the compressor)?

As to that kit, design for airbrushing models and the like. The tank is tiny (I have one). The compressor in my garage has a tank ~15 times the size and not sure I would want to use that for resprays of bike panels.

All the best

Keith
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[mysterious_rider]

I've just looked at the videos. Yeah it's airmodel stuff, so useless for what I want.

Not sure what kind of tank it is though, what, maybe a few litres at most?


you have a 30 litre one at home? That's pretty impressive surely that's enough for spraying.



I found this however. 24L


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rhyas-24L-7-3CFM-Portable-Compressor/dp/B004NSLD2E/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&qid=1385327018&sr=8-24&keywords=spraying+compressor


Anyone got any previous experience with painting that can answer?
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Mine is a 50 litre tank in the garage and is far from big, and I would like something bigger than that. ~25L is typical for the small compressors such as the ones that turn up at Aldi, but even with a 50L tank it is fairly easy in general use to have the pressure dropping rapidly.

Not really done any spraying to know, but my understanding was that you needed a fairly large volume of air (plus any to supply your breathing gear).

All the best

Keith
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[stinkwheel]

My Clarke ranger has a 46litre tank and it is barely adequate for spraying.

I did my kitchen units with it and you had to stop every 10 seconds or so to let it catch up. Did a neat job but took ages and if you were doing it a lot, I suspect it would burn out the motor pretty quickly.
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[bladerunner]

Mine is a 50 litre tank and 3hp motor....it does bike fairings and tanks ok but even then it's just keeping up if doing several panels at a time.....as for 2 Pac it's not so much an air fed mask but an air fed mask that's from outside the room your spraying in or it's just feeding you poison! it is awesome paint to use but make sure you take the right precautions when using it.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

If I were looking for another compressor I would want something at least this kind of spec:-

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/clarke-tiger-161010-3hp-100-litre-air-compres

14cfm (about double mine) and a 100 litre tanks.

All the best

Keith
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[hmmmnz]

i had a 200lt compressor and a 8hp motor when i was spraying my van and that was barely up to the job, i'd have to stop every few minutes to let it catch up,
im with kickstart, for a bike, min would be 100 lt with atleast a 3-4hp motor,
bigger is better when it come to compressors and spray painting
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[mysterious_rider]

It's a completely pointless idea then. Read a post about someone doing a car with a 7cfm 30L tank and apparently it was okay. I'd only be spraying one panel at a time so wouldn't need that much air i wouldn't of thought.

Way too much to budget, be cheaper if I got the bike resprayed by a professional. Shame really!

Oh I would have sprayed outside. Along with a mask.
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[stirlinggaz]

hi,
wasnt someone else asking about this the other day?
maybe he will look at this, as reply will cover both questions.

i have used 25 & 50l compressors in past & they are fine for bike parts.
most bikes break down into smaller parts anyway, its lot like your gonna attempt a car bonnet for example.
obviously get the biggest you can afford, but the wee ones are good for starting off & unless your gonna be spraying very often why splash out for a 200litre job?

anyway, i use a gravity fed, hvlp gun,with slightly bigger nozzle for use with mipa primer/filler. as it can be mixed up quite thick & is great for filling in small pin holes & scratches.

basecoat/colour coat : i use a different gun, a half decent, gravity fed hvlp.
i also have another gun, pretty much identical, except its about 1/3 of the size, great for wee jobs, touching up etc.

paint? i use whatever is cheap at the car paints shop, i dont mind what colour (within reason) i usually buy a litre so i have some left over for stone chips, touching up etc & half litre aint enough.

clear coat, currently using univar stuff, but mipa stuff is also very good (my local place sells mipa range)

i usually bring panels indoors & hang from ceiling with fishing line, in my spare room & leave central heating on overnight to "cure it".

its all in the prep, & using good products help. mipa primer/filler,hardner,clearcoat. decent thinners & cheap thinners/gun-wash, variety of wet & dry from 240-2000
3m or farecla componds, polishes. decent masking tape, i use the green stuff, far better than the cheap white sh*t you see at b&q poundland etc.

as for air fed masks, meh.... im over 40 & have smoked for over 30yrs so dont care what damage i do to my lungs & besides i usually wear a white paper suit with hood & goggles. & i usually hold my breath while in "spraying room" and it only takes 30-60 seconds to give panel a quick coat.

cheers,
GAZ

PS : that wee kit you linked to, would only be good for doing fine detail work, like thin stripes etc. better off getting a bigger conpressor & buying the guns seperately,

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[stirlinggaz]

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[MattEMulsion]

CFM is the important bit when your intention is to use high air consumption tools such as a spray gun. If my memory serves me correctly you need a compressor capable of around 15CFM for professional standard paint spraying, mine that I have is 18CFM I think, with around a 210ish litre tank.

Obviously painting small parts such as motorcycle plastics, you will get away with a low volume compressor with a small tank, because you can pause for the compressor to catch you. But if you want to paint the side of a car, you need a compressor with a high output or you just can't do it, in one hit.
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[hmmmnz]

yeah as above,
i have done the odd panel with those 25 litre jobbies, but for sustained spraying they just arn't up to it,
if you use a small tip, and do really thin coats you could probably get away with it,

bare in mind, you normally only have to buy a decent compressor and gear once, (unless you move countries and have to sell all your shit )

like all things, buy decent stuff and it'll last for ever,
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[The other Paul Rudd]

[pits]

The first one posted is an airbrush one, it is one that is used for when you need to brush air I use one like that for spot repairs, as that's just about what it will do.

You want really 100 litre tank to be fair, pain in the arse waiting for a compressor to catch up.

As others have said though, when it comes to 2k, screw what you're spraying it with, you need to get an extra that will filter and clear more than the area you are spraying in, you can't just hold your breath as you can absorb it many other ways have said, screw cyanide poisoning.
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[BTTD]

Have you considered an hvlp set up? I've got an Earlex sprayer. It might not be as good as a pro spray booth, but it seems to do a reasonable job.
I found some youtube videos on it before I bought it.
I've not used it for 2 pack spraying so can't comment on that directly but I've sprayed varnishes, lacquers, and thinned down emulsions with no problems.
Earlex can supply different sized needles, which adds to the price a little. I think all in with a full set of needles it cost me getting on for £200. Might be worth a look as it doesn't need a compressor, and produces less overspray.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/390711345602?hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1&lpid=95&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=95&ff19=0


DIY use (not me):

https://www.diynot.com/forums/decorating/earlex-pro-hv5000-the-result-review.333880/

[mysterious_rider]

well that looks interesting! £135 is more affordable....

See I'm half tempted to use cans, just spend more time with the prep work. Basically cans gave me a good finish that I'm happy with, but the problem is 8 months down the line and some of the paint has started to chip. So using a proper sprayer should allow me to use better quality paints that will last?
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[pits]

Don't get one of those Earlex sprayers, they are shite.
The problem with those is that they get hot quickly, and when they get hot they start setting the paint, and then the paint flings out in long strands, seriously they are a waste of time, non standard fitments makes it a pain in the arse to do anything else with the compressor, gravity fed guns etc.

I use Capspray CS9100's, same principle as the Earlex, but they stay cooler, provide constant and better pressure.
https://www.paintsprayerslv.com/CAPspray/CapSpray%20images/sprayers/cs91003.jpg

Now the chances of finding a CS9100 for sale in the UK second hand is slim, and if they do come up they are not cheap to get them in the UK they are circa £3500+ that said I might be selling one or two of mine as I no longer need them, but they wont be in your budget.


Spray equipment is just as critical as the prep work imho, if you have shit cheap kit you're going to get a shit cheap finish, it's why the Earlex is meant for painting fences etc, by all means buy one but don't be disheartened when it looks crap.

£135 seems a good price, it's cheap, why would you not want it? £135 is a compressor and a gun, how much do you reckon the gun costs? My gun cost me £450 new, I've also got a £30 gun, you have less control of fan, product and air with a cheap one, and you will suffer from that but it doesn't mean you should spend £450 on a gun either.
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[BTTD]

Err, based on the first post, I think the OP's looking for something to replace rattle cans.

[stirlinggaz]

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