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PostPosted: 21:14 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Tips for non mechanical minded buyers Reply with quote

Having read the stickies and some other threads theres good info on checking paperwork, haggling and what not but what are the key things to check mechanically to ensure theres no problems further down the line?

Being a newbie to bikes i dont know much about them apart from lookon smart, no rust, starting up ok and driving alrite. Any tips?
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Tips for non mechanical minded buyers Reply with quote

doomsnite wrote:
Having read the stickies and some other threads theres good info on checking paperwork, haggling and what not but what are the key things to check mechanically to ensure theres no problems further down the line?

Being a newbie to bikes i dont know much about them apart from lookon smart, no rust, starting up ok and driving alrite. Any tips?

If everything seems to work on a test drive it can't be that bad.

If you want to make it appear you know what you are doing, take a big screwdriver or metal rod and place it on the block while the engine is running, put ear to other end.
You can sometimes detect unusual noises this way.

Hold a bit of paper or your hand in front of the headlight and rev it.
You should note a slight brightening coming off idle, indicating healthy charging.

Have a good look at the bar and lever ends, sometimes the front mudguard edge - any signs of being dropped?
Have a good pump on the handlebars to see if the forks action is smooth.
If seller is looking worried at this point draw a sharp intake of breath, they may fess up about something. Laughing

Any obvious rounded off bolts or screws - they have been trying to fix or bodge things.
This is a very common 'problem' in the workshop section - how to undo rounded off fasteners.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool thanks

Also found the below link after i posted this... Thats a lot to remember! Might have to take a clipboard!

https://www.begin-motorcycling.co.uk/used.htm
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the wheels are round and tyres have some air in them. That's about it usually.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Tips for non mechanical minded buyers Reply with quote

doomsnite wrote:
Re: Tips for non mechanical minded buyers


Yep, find yourself a mechanically minded friend. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont have any friends Sad
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Tips for non mechanical minded buyers Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
doomsnite wrote:
Having read the stickies and some other threads theres good info on checking paperwork, haggling and what not but what are the key things to check mechanically to ensure theres no problems further down the line?

Being a newbie to bikes i dont know much about them apart from lookon smart, no rust, starting up ok and driving alrite. Any tips?

If everything seems to work on a test drive it can't be that bad.

If you want to make it appear you know what you are doing, take a big screwdriver or metal rod and place it on the block while the engine is running, put ear to other end.
You can sometimes detect unusual noises this way.

Hold a bit of paper or your hand in front of the headlight and rev it.
You should note a slight brightening coming off idle, indicating healthy charging.

Have a good look at the bar and lever ends, sometimes the front mudguard edge - any signs of being dropped?
Have a good pump on the handlebars to see if the forks action is smooth.
If seller is looking worried at this point draw a sharp intake of breath, they may fess up about something. Laughing

Any obvious rounded off bolts or screws - they have been trying to fix or bodge things.
This is a very common 'problem' in the workshop section - how to undo rounded off fasteners.


bearing in mind that if you're viewing some ones pride and joy and you start sticking screwdrivers on the engine block and bouncing up and down on the forks you're likely to get told to get fucked or get a smack round the head.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Tips for non mechanical minded buyers Reply with quote

yampug wrote:

bearing in mind that if you're viewing some ones pride and joy and you start sticking screwdrivers on the engine block and bouncing up and down on the forks you're likely to get told to get fucked or get a smack round the head.


Hardly, these are common checks and are not going to harm the bike in any way.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not mechanically minded, but there are ways you can tell if it's a proper bike, without getting too technical. These are some of the checks I make when I buy a bike. There will be more that others would do, but these are the basics for me.

1) Ideally you will want to see the bike wheeled out and started from cold. If it's been nicely warmed through before you get there, I would be wondering if the seller bump-started it or is trying to hide other rough-running issues. Start it up, let it run for a bit, listen for any issues.

2) Make a thorough visual inspection. Start with the basics, is it clean? A clean and tidy bike is one that's been looked after. Look at the bar ends, engine casings, fairings, pegs and other extremities to see if the bike has been dropped. Look for the chassis number on the bike and compare it to the V5C and a HPI report.

3) Check the fluid levels, such as oil level and brake fluid reservoirs. If the levels are alright, the chances are the bike has been looked after.

4) Test ride. Make sure you go up and down through the gearbox to make sure each gear runs smoothly, and find a test route where you can ride in a variety of gears and speeds. Feel for any judders or feedback through the brakes - this could signify a buckled wheel or worn brakes.

5) Paperwork. HPI it before you go to view it. Make sure there is a V5C in the seller's name and registered at the address at which you're viewing the bike. MOT certificates are useful, you can see any advisories noted by the examiner, and mileages of the previous tests to verify the mileage. Check the service book, and if you want to be really fussy, ring some of the dealers with stamps to make sure they actually serviced the bike.

6) Friend. Don't be afraid to take someone else with you. It's very easy to fall in love with a bike if you want it, and very difficult to be objective when this happens. A mate might point out things you hadn't noticed, or were trying to ignore.

Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Tips for non mechanical minded buyers Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Any obvious rounded off bolts or screws - they have been trying to fix or bodge things.

I'd plus-1 this one, learnt the hard way - next time I get round to getting a new bike i'd be checking the screws a lot more carefully, if the fairing screws are fucked up, although fairly easy to get out and cheap to replace, its worth considering if the heavy-handed owner may of buggered up more critical fasteners and bolts that you can't usually get to see until after buying it, as thats when you start getting a lot more grief Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 02:10 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Tips for non mechanical minded buyers Reply with quote

yampug wrote:
bearing in mind that if you're viewing some ones pride and joy and you start sticking screwdrivers on the engine block and bouncing up and down on the forks you're likely to get told to get fucked or get a smack round the head.


If a seller looked displeased at me doing that, I'd be tempted to just walk off.
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PostPosted: 03:19 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Tips for non mechanical minded buyers Reply with quote

yampug wrote:


bearing in mind that if you're viewing some ones pride and joy and you start sticking screwdrivers on the engine block and bouncing up and down on the forks you're likely to get told to get fucked or get a smack round the head.


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PostPosted: 08:33 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

doomsnite wrote:
I dont have any friends Sad

But soon you'll have many brothers among the knights of the road... Laughing

The CBT actually covers basic checks that you should be doing to a bike before you ride it and of course we all do them every time so listen carefully and apply them when considering a bike for purchase.
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