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PostPosted: 15:52 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Fling from chain, how dangerous? Reply with quote

This is probably a stupid newbie question, but here goes anyway: I've recently installed an oiler on my chain (Tutoro Auto). It works great and the chain looks better than when I was periodically spraying chain wax on it. However, I'm still getting some fling on to the side of the tyre, which eventually rounds the sidewall and on to the tread. It's most noticeable after a few dry days. (Rain seems to mostly wash it off.)

I've tried adjusting the oiler settings, but there doesn't seem to be a level it which the chain is oiled and no fling happens, or at least I haven't found the balance yet. And, anyway, the fling doesn't look much better or worse than when I was (probably over-) spraying myself, so this isn't a new issue for me.

How dangerous is the chain oil on the tyre? I wipe it off every couple of days, but it just builds up again. It doesn't feel very slippery to the touch and presumably once the rivulets make it passed the chicken strips they must be rubbed off easily enough in contact with the road. Is this normal or is it just a matter of time before I come off the bike on a left-hander?
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil = slippery. You know that.

Be tentative when leaning that way on the tyre.

Personally I'd rather an un-oiled chain than have a oily tyre. Take the oiler off.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I occasionally get tiny little streaks over the edge from my scottoiler, but have not had enough traction issues to ever notice a slip. And I don't have any chicken strips on the VFR.

I am not, however, accelerating hard when on the edge of the tyre - they're BT023s, grippy enough to scrape boot sliders on the road, but not a sports tyre.

And I would notice a slip. At current temperatures, I get a little sideways drift action every morning on my scooter, before the tyres have warmed up.

If you don't exercise the edge of the tyre very often, the risk is that it'll build up, and when you do go to the edge, you may be in trouble. You may want to reduce the oil flow rate, if you can. Chains are a lot cheaper than accidents.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the first couple of replies scared me enough to get some paper towels out of the loo and go out to the bike right now to turn the oiler down and wipe the tyre/chain.

First of all, I may be exaggerating. It looks like shiny streaks, but there's barely any oil on the tyre. One paper towel was plenty and the oil on the tyre barely blackened it. I really had to give it a good rub, too.

Second, I did a few more google searches (yes probably should have done that at first) and I think I'm worrying too much and over-thinking. Some amount of fling is unavoidable, whether using an oiler or just an aerosol. It has to go somewhere after lubing the chain. Just wipe if off once in a while like I've been doing, was the general advice.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are getting noticeable fling, the chain has to much lube. The fling should be, at most, at the same rate as it then flings off the wheel - if you get build up on the tyre, the flow is to high.

Suggest the following:
Step 1:
Give the chain a proper deep clean so its as close to shiny and dry as you can get it.
Apply some chain lube.
Go ride for 10 minutes with the oiler turned off to clear off the excess lube from the chain.
Wash any fling off the tyre.
Turn the oiler back on to where it was before.

Step 2
Turn the oiler down 1 notch.
Next time you ride, check the build up. If there's still to much fling, turn the oiler down a notch and wash the tyre.
Repeat step 2 until fling is no longer building up.

Remember, if you are at the point where any more oil would cause fling, then the chain is already getting as much oil as it can hold. It may look dry, but its not.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

James83 wrote:
If you are getting noticeable fling, the chain has to much lube. The fling should be, at most, at the same rate as it then flings off the wheel - if you get build up on the tyre, the flow is to high.

Suggest the following:
Step 1:
Give the chain a proper deep clean so its as close to shiny and dry as you can get it.
Apply some chain lube.
Go ride for 10 minutes with the oiler turned off to clear off the excess lube from the chain.
Wash any fling off the tyre.
Turn the oiler back on to where it was before.


Step 2
Turn the oiler down 1 notch.
Next time you ride, check the build up. If there's still to much fling, turn the oiler down a notch and wash the tyre.
Repeat step 2 until fling is no longer building up.

Remember, if you are at the point where any more oil would cause fling, then the chain is already getting as much oil as it can hold. It may look dry, but its not.


^^^ this
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this may seem obvious when it comes to washing the tyres, but use hot water and detergent. I still don't know why hot water works better but it does. And thoroughly rinse the soap off.

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PostPosted: 18:44 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot water=wiggly molecules and like magots the more they wiggle the better they are. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiggly magots...Got it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Set the oiler for 1 drip per minute, then you won't get any fling.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Hot water=wiggly molecules and like magots the more they wiggle the better they are. Very Happy


Hadn't thought of it in that way. Must try and see if I can blag some time inside the Large Hadron Collider, the bike's in need of a very good clean Wink
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Hot water=wiggly molecules and like magots the more they wiggle the better they are. Very Happy


***walloper throws out the nasty and expensive chain-lube products in favour of Ariel Badger maggot solution.*** Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I has no fling.

https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/oncirrus/3/images/product/enlarge/wur_chain-lube-150ml.jpg

Lubes the chain with no fling and keeps it protected over winter from the salt and crud. Just keep putting on over winter then springtime strip off with parafin and reapply.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/oncirrus/3/images/product/enlarge/wur_chain-lube-150ml.jpg

Use this stuff too - absoluetly no problems, and seems to last and cover the chain a lot better in rain than standard oils and stuff also.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i regularly over oil my chain and my back wheel infact most of my bike is coverd in oil and it dosent seem to affect grip at all, might on a bigger bike but i shouldnt think the size of the bike would make a difference
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 03 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/oncirrus/3/images/product/enlarge/wur_chain-lube-150ml.jpg

Use this stuff too - absoluetly no problems, and seems to last and cover the chain a lot better in rain than standard oils and stuff also.


I used this and the Rock Oil brand. Found the Rock Oil flung less, but still flung. (Because I over-lube, as mentioned.) And the stuff is thicker and harder to wash off than the oil in the Tutoro (gear oil-like), which just wipes off easily with a rag.

I really like the Tutoro. The chain looks pristine after three weeks, but I'm probably using too much. I cleaned the chain and tyre this evening and turned it down to the recommended 1.5 turns, from about 2.25. I'll see how that goes.
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