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Khanivore
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Most frequently used socket sizes and tools? Reply with quote

I'm going to go to Toolstation and grab some tools as I don't even have the basic stuff right now. In the first instance all i need is enough stuff to get my crash bungs and rear hugger on to the bike. However, if i'm going down to the shops anyway I might as well buy a toolkit/set. Can anyone recommend something low end? I won't be using it much to be honest but want to cover at least the most common sizes and stuff.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depend on the job and the bike.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Depend on the job and the bike.


CBR 600F 02 MY.

And I know it depends on the job - I was asking if there is a most commonly used set of sizes. On my mountain bike you can get by with just a few sizes - was wondering if same on bike. Guess not.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hondas seem to use mostly 8,10,12,14 and 17mm AF sizes.A 19mm is handy to have,as is a socket for the rear wheel spindle nut.Check your bikes toolkit for the sizes needed to remove either wheel.

Some socket kits come with totally useless 11,15 and 16mm sizes,so they seem to be redundant on a bike.Strangely,the 15mm sockets have been useful on my car,but not come across any bike (so far) that uses these sizes.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Most frequently used socket sizes and tools? Reply with quote

Khanivore wrote:
...However, if i'm going down to the shops anyway I might as well buy a toolkit/set. Can anyone recommend something low end? I won't be using it much to be honest but want to cover at least the most common sizes and stuff.

When I started out I used something like these two examples (examples from Homebase site)...

https://homebase.scene7.com/is/image/homebase/395448_R_Z001?$TMB$&wid=312&hei=312link here
and
https://homebase.scene7.com/is/image/homebase/058404_R_Z001?$TMB$&wid=312&hei=312link here

I think back how naive I was on quality but they were cheap and did the job. Some may be disparaging about the price and you do tend to get what you pay for.

I'd suggest starting off with something that's effectively disposable and upgrading as and when you see fit. Issue there is you might end up rounding a few nuts with lesser quality stuff. That said, can happen with expensive kit if actual nut made of cheese. My lad uses one of the Lidl kits without an issue.

I bought the larger sockets as and when I needed to do a job. Same with the 1/2" hex set. etc.

As to sizes for Japanese kit all the metric nut sizes from 6mm up in even increments. The odd 15mm and 17mm you'll find on your bike over time. Hex sizes generally 4mm through to 6mm.

If tackling wheels get sizes on bike and also breaker bar is useful.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Most frequently used socket sizes and tools? Reply with quote

What's your budget?

For £60-£70 you could get socket set and separate spanner set with 6-32mm in both and allen key bits 3-14mm or something.
That should cover pretty much everything - said kit has torx keys, but not sockets. However they don't come up muxh on bikes.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a socket set with two different size ratchets and variety of sockets, you ideally want long sockets as we'll. that, few screwdrivers and Allen keys you can pretty much do anything

Should easily get a kit with those sockets in for cheap, if your barely ever going to use it you don't need over priced stuff
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
Hondas seem to use mostly 8,10,12,14 and 17mm AF sizes.A 19mm is handy to have,as is a socket for the rear wheel spindle nut.Check your bikes toolkit for the sizes needed to remove either wheel.

Some socket kits come with totally useless 11,15 and 16mm sizes,so they seem to be redundant on a bike.Strangely,the 15mm sockets have been useful on my car,but not come across any bike (so far) that uses these sizes.


Yamaha use a lot of weird 13mm sizes so I'd say 8, 10, 12, 13 and 14 are essential, along with 4, 5, 6 and 8mm Allen keys.

Torx head bolts come up a lot on non-Japanese bikes (nor chinese copies at a guess).
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guarentee the manufacturer will throw in an odd size just to piss you off !!! One for the car was an 11m for the bleep nipples same with allen keys one of my cars needed a 7mm one for the brake callipers which no sets come with so had to buy seperate specialist tool.

Same with torx sets and other such rediculous fastners all designed to fleece more of your hard earned cash..
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTM claimt hat 85% of the fasteners on the 690 enduro can be undone with three tolls and that seems about right.

Also nice that most of their bolts are both hex-head and take a trx key inside.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could people maybe post a few links from toolstation or amazon plz? Would really help me out. Going cheaper probably makes sense due to the likely infrequent use - but i'd prefer to avoid so cheap that I'm going to damage the bike. I've been looking on there and am none the wiser.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of budget are you thinking?

Anyway; Silverline spanner set:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Silverline-SP100-Metric-Professional-Spanner/dp/B000LFTQMC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386786501&sr=8-1&keywords=silverline+spanners+25

Socket set:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/socket-tool-professional-quality-NEILSEN/dp/B004UKPEIE/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1386786546&sr=8-16&keywords=94+piece+socket+set

I have used the Spanner set and like it.
I haven't that socket set, but have similar. I had a look at one of the above at a show I was at and it looked better than some of the similar ones.

Later, I'd get a 3/8th set to add to it - if it were me, a comprehensive Draper wall drive set.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks G! I will check that out and find equivelant at Screwfix and toolstation as then i can go pick it up Smile
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khanivore wrote:
Thanks G! I will check that out and find equivelant at Screwfix and toolstation as then i can go pick it up Smile

Same spanner set at toolstation and they have a similar 94piece socket set for a bit more.
It is a wall drive socket set, which I really like - but I have a similar one and the quality wasn't that great.
The toolstation one may be better than the one I had, it may not.

The one I linked to definitely looked better than the one I had when I saw it in person. I've had another one of these sets many years ago and it was decent.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm the only socket set with that many pieces that i could see costs about 3x as much. Is that the one you mean? If so I'll get the amazon one!
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G this? https://www.toolstation.com/shop/Socket+Set+1/2%22+&+1/4%22/p18555
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

with tools, I always advise to buy quality, then never buy again Thumbs Up

if you're starting with the basics:

1/4" set
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_177537_langId_-1_categoryId_255215#tab3

1/2" sockets
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_categoryId_255215_productId_189804_langId_-1?istCompanyId=b8708c57-7a02-4cf6-b2c0-dc36b54a327e&istItemId=lwmlxq&istBid=tztx&_$$ja=cgid:8475776884|tsid:35522|cid:166296844|lid:55463082885|nw:search|crid:33910835764|dvc:c|adp:1o1|bku:1&gclid=CLaWqO3sqLsCFSPnwgodhScAUQ#tab3

+ ratchet
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_categoryId_255215_productId_189804_langId_-1?istCompanyId=b8708c57-7a02-4cf6-b2c0-dc36b54a327e&istItemId=lwmlxq&istBid=tztx&_$$ja=cgid:8475776884|tsid:35522|cid:166296844|lid:55463082885|nw:search|crid:33910835764|dvc:c|adp:1o1|bku:1&gclid=CLaWqO3sqLsCFSPnwgodhScAUQ#tab3

plus maybe a rear spindle socket if its an odd / large size

I have all the above tools, and they never break or round off, in fact a couple times now I've snapped the head off a bolt rather than round it off with the 1/2" sockets

and never buy Halfords tools full price, the 1/4" set is often up £15 in store rather than the £25 "half price offer" on the website Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
with tools, I always advise to buy quality, then never buy again Thumbs Up

^^^This^^^
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was the 94 piece set similar to the one I linked to on amazon, yes. It may be exactly the same as one I have, or just similar.

lukamon wrote:
with tools, I always advise to buy quality, then never buy again Thumbs Up

Fine if you've got loads of money.
Why link to Halfords after that statement, however? Smile
I'd suggest they are 'mediocre' and only good value for money when decently on offer as you suggest.

A decent 94 piece set is perfectly fine quality - not far off Halfords, but get a lot more for your money, even when Halfords are on offer. Sure, you might want to upgrade at some point, but before then it means you can be pretty sure you've got the size you need and don't need to resort to bodges.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hardly "loads of money" G, should be able to get that lot for £40 when on offer, start with good stuff and you wont be stuck halfway through a job one night with your 10mm bit spit into a 3 sided flanged thing that used to be a socket, and no way of finishing the job. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought halfrauds stuff was generally crap. Is the stuff you linked high quality then? If so I might wait until new year sales in store or something.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

the "advanced professional" ( Rolling Eyes ) range is great yes, lifetime guarantee too. doesn't apply to the moving parts in the ratchet, but then I've never managed to break either of mine, and they sell new mechanisms in store if you ever manage it Thumbs Up

have a google round and see what other people say too
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
Hardly "loads of money" G, should be able to get that lot for £40 when on offer, start with good stuff and you wont be stuck halfway through a job one night with your 10mm bit spit into a 3 sided flanged thing that used to be a socket, and no way of finishing the job. Thumbs Up

And yes- like my Halfords Advanced Professional 3/8th ratchet that seized on the first day of use? Laughing

To get the same range of metric sockets that I linked to in the 94 piece sets, you have to spend a lot more at Halfords.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't know if they send to uk but found this on ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251pc-DIY-Tool-Kit-Box-Trolley-Set-Case-Socket-Bits-Hammer-Screw-Driver-Glue-Gun-/331075840409?pt=UK_Garage_Equipment_Tools_Tool_Boxes_Storage&hash=item4d15a86999

or this one - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186-tlg-Werkzeugkoffer-Werkzeugtrolley-Werkzeug-Set-Werkzeugset-Geschenkidee-/111236070999?pt=DE_Baby_Kind_Baby_T%C3%BCr_Treppenschutz&hash=item19e62fbe57


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PostPosted: 21:12 - 11 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always gone for cheap tool sets, and so I haven't broken anything in over 3 years.

Mind you I don't really have any mechanical knowledge, so my most common socket size would be claw hammer I guess
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