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Benson_JV
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Merry Hell Private Parking Ticket Reply with quote

Salutations

I had the unfortune to visit Merry Hill last night and I recieved a lovely parking ticket from a company called UK Parking Control LTD.
The scene is I'm parked in a disabled bay as my fiancee is registered disabled and would not have been able to park elsewhere as the nearest other space was in some business estate over yonder (it was packed, day before X-mas eve, of course it was!)
But we had no disabled badge, her last one went out of date and we are yet to recieve the new one. Technically yes, I was wrong as I parked without showing I had proof that someone in the car was disabled.
My question is can this be safely ignored? I knew it could at some point but I believe something has changed recently?

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PostPosted: 11:26 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Parking Charge Notice' or 'Penalty Charge Notice'?

If it's Parking Charge then I think you can pretty much ignore it. Penalty Charge comes from the police or a government department and can't be ignored. Don't take that as gospel though, things may have changed recently so check some of the legal forums online.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a private company definitely, it is a parking charge and from UK Parking Control LTD.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure Rogerborg will be along shortly to repeat himself from previous threads but if memory serves correctly the old "ignore it and it'll just go away" advice isn't as valid as it once was. The flipside of the clamping ban (or rather the new regulations from which the clamping ban was supposed to distract us) is that private parking companies have been given more power to find out who you are and to chase you up.

What powers they have to drag you through the courts I am unsure about. But I think the answer is that they now have at least *some* powers so you probably want to give some thought to how likely you'd be to win a possible court case before filing the parking-charge-notice with the rest of your recycling.


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PostPosted: 11:35 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look through here:
https://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=60

And start a thread if you need to. Generally it depends on the firm who issued the ticket as to whether to appeal or not. Most advice points towards appealing to the company - the strength of your appeal letter will determine if they decide to push for court or not - in your case they almost certainly won't BUT the letter must be written up properly with the right kind of wording.

Pepipoo will help.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure you can just ignore it chap. It's a private firm. It's like me just issuing you a ticket and making you pay it. It won't go to court.

I got one, and i ignored, never heard back from it.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the PPC, the one I got a ticket from was notorious for taking people to court and winning.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it does come to disputing it I would also check that it is correctly signed. Ie. does it say disabled only or blue badge holders only. That should give you some leverage I would of thought?
I quite often park in disabled spots (in private car parks) in my girlfriends car when I have forgot my badge, just because you haven't got the badge doesn't mean you are no longer disabled.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Ben said what does the "contract" say in the car park? the disabled markings are only a request (in private parking) they're not enforceable I don't think, so it's the same as any PPC notice on a post; that you've gone against the contract you agreed to when you parked there.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you mean is you displayed your disabled badge. Go out and place your old one (or wait till your new one arrives) on the front of your windscreen and bang a photo to them, state it was there, now GTFO.

Or keep quiet. Laughing Even if they dared to take you to court, the badge fell down when you closed the door, apologetic init.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
What you mean is you displayed your disabled badge. Go out and place your old one (or wait till your new one arrives) on the front of your windscreen and bang a photo to them, state it was there, now GTFO.

Or [...] the badge fell down when you closed the door, apologetic init.


I think that's basically what the appeal letter needs to be, they should file it under "not bloody likely" in their court chancing bucket and you all move on - if they continue letters after the appeal then you ignore them.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
I'm sure Rogerborg will be along shortly to repeat himself from previous threads

Well, he doesn't have to now. Folded arms

OK, briefly, I agree, do not ignore.

https://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/ is as good a place as any to start, it'll set the tone, and provides links to other sites.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbourner wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
What you mean is you displayed your disabled badge. Go out and place your old one (or wait till your new one arrives) on the front of your windscreen and bang a photo to them, state it was there, now GTFO.

Or [...] the badge fell down when you closed the door, apologetic init.


I think that's basically what the appeal letter needs to be, they should file it under "not bloody likely" in their court chancing bucket and you all move on - if they continue letters after the appeal then you ignore them.

Going to court is a long way off, before that you will appeal through POPLA (a bunch of useless cunts). Mitigation NEVER works. I learnt this at my expense. I had a ticket for my car, they claimed it wasn't displayed properly, I tried to explain how it had slipped down in the dash etc...fail, I lost out and had to pay £80 unless I wanted to go to court.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, forget mitigation, at least with the parking thugs or POPLA. Appeal on technical grounds. Signage, pre-estimate of loss, no contract. Ask the landowner to cancel the charge.

However...

Tungtvann wrote:
I lost out and had to pay £80 unless I wanted to go to court.

You have to pay nothing until you've been to court.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but I'd stand to lose a lot more money.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
Yes, but I'd stand to lose a lot more money.


You might, however you are already out of pocket by paying the scumbags.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Tungtvann wrote:
Yes, but I'd stand to lose a lot more money.


You might, however you are already out of pocket by paying the scumbags.

Don't worry, they'll pay in the end.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
Yes, but I'd stand to lose a lot more money.

A little more. It's a civil small claim for the amount they reckon they're owed by contract or for breach of it. They're limited in what costs they can add on, and you're free to challenge any of it. Rest assured, they'll lose money on it.

There's the cost and stress of spending a day at court, of course, which is why their racket is working so well. Sad
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for the information, I have chucked a thread up on peipoo. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benson_JV wrote:
Thank you all for the information, I have chucked a thread up on peipoo. Thumbs Up

If you decide to contest it, take your time and read exactly what you need to do. I was rash and rushed off responses to my downfall.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
I had a ticket for my car, they claimed it wasn't displayed properly, I tried to explain how it had slipped down in the dash etc...fail, I lost out and had to pay £80 unless I wanted to go to court.


So you had a ticket... Yet still paid the £80.

Why not let it go to court. As you had PROOF you had paid....

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PostPosted: 19:04 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Tungtvann wrote:
I had a ticket for my car, they claimed it wasn't displayed properly, I tried to explain how it had slipped down in the dash etc...fail, I lost out and had to pay £80 unless I wanted to go to court.


So you had a ticket... Yet still paid the £80.

Why not let it go to court. As you had PROOF you had paid....

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Technicality of 'display ticket clearly at all times'.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
Technicality of 'display ticket clearly at all times'.

Technically, did they have a contract to manage that land? Was the signage technically sufficient to form a contract with you? Was the charge a technically correct pre-estimate of their loss?

If there's no exceptions, that cuts both ways.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The PPC are notorious cunts, pepipoo pretty much told me to bow down.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 24 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
The PPC are notorious cunts, pepipoo pretty much told me to bow down.

Right, you asked for this. Kipling is judging you.

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