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Glen
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Staying in a relationship for the sake of a child... Reply with quote

...as per the title; is it ever the right thing to do...?

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Currently 4 Yrs into a relationship with the missus, we have a 2 Yr old lad and we're currently living with her parents while we save for a house of our own. I own a house in my own right which is being let to tenants.

I've known for some time that i'm no longer physically attracted to my partner and despite her being an absolute gem of a mum we bicker about all sorts of shit, she's started to notice that i'm becoming more and more withdrawn and it's causing friction in the house.

Am I being a selfish twat for wanting to be happy? Should I just MTFU and get on with it for the sake of my lad? Can that ever work long-term?
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think 'staying together for the kids' is ever a good idea. Kids aren't stupid, and get clever quick with age, knowing they're living with two people that hate each other and witnessing all the fallout is probably a lot worse than going to visit their seperated parents who are [hopefully] much happier apart.

Is it really time to consider leaving though - you said you aren't attracted to her physically, have you talked to her about this - if its a toss up of leaving her or discussing it all with her, especially if you do still get on half the time, surely thats worth a shot first Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ship-out now otherwise you're only delaying the inevitable.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
you said you aren't attracted to her physically, have you talked to her about this

How do you think that might go?
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably not well, but it can't be worse than walking straight out the door - if she cares about the relationship enough it might make her make an effort to 'get the spark going' again.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys need your own place sooner rather than later.

The fact you are living with someone else parents mean that you cant be the couple you were.

The bickering stems from the lack of space.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Difficult to generalise really, but I'd reckon kids will grow up better-adjusted with separated parents who can be civil than with parents who are forcing themselves together like opposed magnets and always squabbling.

However, as per many things in life, situations can escalate quickly. So if you split be careful not to get into a 2-decade slanging match. Kids need security and bickering parents (separated or together) don't give them that.

Also, Cansa makes some sense, above. Any reason you're not living as a family in this house you own?
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how the hell to broach the subject tbh. We're living under the feet of her parents and sister so any attempt to do it will result in Hiroshima MKII...

From what I can see she's still totally loved up and puts the bickering down to stress at work/living conditions etc....

I genuinely can't see the spark ever being there for me again, we're more like brother and sister in my eyes.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to work then get a place sooner rather than later.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:

Also, Cansa makes some sense, above. Any reason you're not living as a family in this house you own?


She wanted to be near her family. My house is in Barnsley, her family are in Sheffield (a heady 12 mile distance apart) basically gave me an ultimatum about 5 months ago to move back to sheffield or it's over.

Her parents were a stop gap until we had the deposit together for another mortgage.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glen wrote:
I genuinely can't see the spark ever being there for me again, we're more like brother and sister in my eyes.
Minus the kids i've been in that situation twice in the 6 and a bit years i've been with my mrs, took a lot of changes but things did get back on track again. That being said, i'm not sure how much longer we'll be together either Laughing

No chance of getting away on a holiday together or something to just get away from the whole situation, kids included if needs be?

Agree with Cansa about the house thing though I missed that first reading your post. Even if it is getting good money living with her parents and renting the place out, whats the point if its possibly a large cause of the problem, no point saving hard for a family house if you're on the rails to split up.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds silly, but can you not shift your tenants on and move into the already secured house? Only reason I can see this being a no is if its too small.

Could be the living conditions... I find it easier to live away from everyone.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy, see above. She won't move back to the old house due to where it is. She also has a new job in the area plus my lad is settled into a nursery.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glen wrote:

She wanted... ...12 mile distance... ...gave me an ultimatum... ...or it's over.

She seriously threatened to dump you and tear her own family apart in order to be 12 miles closer to her folks' house?

Run.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glen wrote:
My house is in Barnsley, her family are in Sheffield (a heady 12 mile distance apart) basically gave me an ultimatum about 5 months ago to move back to sheffield or it's over.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/6ca1db86629a49c7fae1c3d3a1094586/tumblr_mq1h1yYVUA1szim6vo1_250.jpgSo distance. Much miles. Wow.

On a more serious note, surely getting a car and (if she needs them) driving lessons is cheaper than a new house, right? This is hardly a reasonable demand on her part.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dog image made me laugh more than it should. Laughing

As for the the car; we have one between us so getting back and forth from Barnsley was never an issue, just the time taken to do it (40 whole minutes)

And yes angryjohnny, it does sound unreasonable... at the time we were at a serious low point and arguing constantly.. I was working in China for extended periods of time and she wasn't working at all and claiming she was depressed so going along with it at the time seemed the best way to keep the peace....
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bottom line is that you're not happy with her anymore (as a partner) - It's time to leave, but do so amicably as to not start a custody war.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

How old are you?

Your woman will get less attractive as she ages. This is inevitable. You will too.

However, you said you're more like a brother and sister. I understand that means something else up north (local etiquette thing, in London it's frowned upon to have children with your siblings).

Sounds like you have someone who is the mother of your child and your best friend, but not as attractive as you want.

Two out of three isn't bad. MTFU and do her doggy.

Or tell her she's fat, then buy her a bicycle.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glen wrote:
And yes angryjohnny, it does sound unreasonable...

Only you can judge whether this sort of thing is her usual modus operandi. But yes it's unreasonable. So if she's behaving like this all the time, don't go convincing yourself that it's normal. It's not. But if this is an exception, then maybe she had her reasons. But "move 12 miles or I'll end it" is not the ultimatum of a rational sensible human being that you want to spend the rest of your life with.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glen wrote:

Her parents were a stop gap until we had the deposit together for another mortgage.

how likely is this to happen,
How much is house where you wanna live ?
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very likely.

We have 2K in savings and I get a £5k retention bonus in Jan plus performance linked bonus in April (maximum of £15k but looking like 8-10K) houses are only £90-120k ish for what we're looking for, so come Jan we're not actually far from a 10% for the lower end.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't go ahead and buy a house together surely though if one of you really doesn't want to be with the other person. If it was only the physical attraction waning on your part and everything else was totally great, then you have more reason to try to work stuff out and keep it together?

The thing is though if you don't feel any physical attraction at all towards your partner which is a horrible thought really, then I think you are well aware that sooner or later you will go elsewhere for excitement and sex etc. It does not matter how good your intentions are, or how strong your feelings on not cheating may be, you can only go so long without the physical attraction.

I'm not so sure that having an affair when there's young children involved is ever going to be a fair or acceptable thing. Older kids will understand adult emotions etc, but you will just been seen as a nasty bastard if you end up shagging another women and then leaving your Mrs or worse getting found out and having your Mrs turn everyone including the kids against you!
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any in-surmountable reason why the 12 miles is an un-reasonable distance to travel?

For example, no public transport, no licence etc?

Quite frankly, if you said that it was 100 miles away I'd have said that it was a reason to discuss moving closer.

But 12 miles? I do 40 miles a day just going to and from work...
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glen wrote:
She wanted to be near her family.

She would be near her family: her husband and son.

Sounds like she needs to grow up and stop thinking of herself as a daughter.
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