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PostPosted: 11:35 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Out of the comfort zone Reply with quote

I had to drop off my bike this morning to get the clutch cable replaced (on warranty) and they gave me a loaner, a Honda VT750S (Shadow). It's a baby cruiser, even less powerful than my normal bike (which is hard to do), but I have never ridden anything with high bars and feet forward before. It took a while to get used to it, but I could see the appeal of one of these on Route 66. London commute? Not so much.

It made me want to try other styles of bike. I've never been on a sports bike with clip-ons, for example, or a tourer with lots of fairing. Has anyone else tried something that they wouldn't normally be caught dead on and were surprised?
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

About once a year I jump on the wife's scooter and although its not my thing, I do quite enjoy it. Tiny wheels and terrible ground clearance make me change my mind back again. Still, its fairly rapid in town and being cheeky on something so small makes me smile!
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ridden all styles..including a vespa (sorry) but still find the biggest grin comes from something like a cz or c50..silly bikes that do their job with no frills..the latest all singing all dancing bike is usually too fragile or expensive to use all the time..whereas the cz and c50 thrive on living outside, and would both still start after sitting for months...
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been riding the same model of bike for a number of years now, for various reasons. I do love it, but I would dearly love to try something different from time to time, just to keep the variety in there and keep up with what's going on with newer bikes, as I used to do when younger and a bit more flush with cash.
I really do think that it makes the whole biking thing much more interesting if you can. And yes, I'd even try a Harley or two (but not at my expense Laughing ).
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to keep at least two bikes on the go just for variety. I haven't tried a modern 600 supersports yet, but I'm fairly sure that I wouldn't enjoy the riding position.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a bit of experimenting when I bought the Sprint - went muscle bikes to a Shiver 750 to a Speed Triple to sports tourers

I'd love to have a speed but it's just not practical enough for me
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first bike was a GN 125, which I think has a fairly classic upright everyday riding position.

When it was written off, the insurance people gave me a Yamaha something-or-other. Can't remember the model name but it was far more 'sporty' in design, the riding position was way higher, and because it was so light I felt like any amount of lean would have the wheels slipping out from under me.

Then I moved onto my current bike which is a CMX250, it's kind of mini cruiserish, but not as heavy. The seat is uber low so balance is easy. It has a larger turning circle but nothing major. In London it's absolutely fine for most filtering, possibly because it has very small bars fitted.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

After moving back to Malaysia I ran about on my dad's Honda underbone for a while. Basically a moped with gears. It's light and fairly nimble, but I can't help but find the shifting weird. Instead of the one-down-four-up method these sort of bikes use Honda Cub-style shifters, one pedal in front of and one behind the left footpeg. You tap the front one to shift up and tap the rear one to downshift. Needless to say my left heel got a bit of an unseasonal workout.

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https://imganuncios.mitula.net/honda_dream_ex5_99286274243550604.jpg

I'm guessing they do this because it's a sturdier design? The shift pedals are a lot chunkier compared to the slender things most bikes have.

Also gotten into the habit of gripping the basket with my knees in lieu of a tank. Hope I don't bend it out of shape Laughing

Still keen to try a cruiser-style bike, will see what the future holds Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got my licence back in April this year and got a CB-1, no surprises there as the riding position is pretty similar to the Bros I was riding before. Then found a bargain ZX7-R and snapped it up, took about a week to get used to how heavy the thing was, and how cramped it was (despite being twice the size of the CB-1).

Anyway I had a few problems crop up with the Ninja so took it off the road and went back to the CB-1. Now that was really a shock to the system. Felt like a pushbike crossed with an armchair. Also it seemed like it had half the power it had before. All perspective I guess.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

deadwolf wrote:

I'm guessing they do this because it's a sturdier design? The shift pedals are a lot chunkier compared to the slender things most bikes have.

I always presumed it was because it didn't matter what footwear you were wearing - could be work shoes, sandals or bare foot - you don't have to scuff your shoe/toes by hooking them under the lever at the front.

Easy enough to replace it with a 'normal' gear lever if you want as they're just mounted in one place.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

I always presumed it was because it didn't matter what footwear you were wearing - could be work shoes, sandals or bare foot - you don't have to scuff your shoe/toes by hooking them under the lever at the front.

Easy enough to replace it with a 'normal' gear lever if you want as they're just mounted in one place.


Good point Thumbs Up Just remembered that I've been out on it in flipflops a few times and never had any bother.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Out of the comfort zone Reply with quote

Oh and; Riding a big cruiser, I was surprised because it was actually a good chunk WORSE than my already low expectations!
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rode a 250cc MP3 rental in California. Was expecting to get the 400cc model, so that was an initial disappointment.

The acceleration, already fairly anemic being a 250cc, was even further blunted by 260kg odd weight of the MP3. Way way heavier than my SH300. I estimate it to accelerate much like a 125, and about the same top speed.

However, it was quite fun to ride on some of the twistier roads in the Santa Cruz mountains. They're too twisty to get high speeds on, and the benefits of two wheels up front start to become more apparent. They basically understeer when losing traction. You can brake fairly heavily even when leaned over to the point of scraping the centre stand.

Also, not as bad for filtering as you might think. The two front wheels are about as wide apart as the typical handlebars, so if you can fit your handlebars through the gap, you can probably fit an MP3. Things like traffic islands would be the main gotcha.

On the topic of clip-ons: moving from the ER6 to the VFR was interesting here. The VFR has a mildly sporty position, but it's still much further bent over than the ER6. Gave me quite bad shoulder / neck aches until I adjusted. The seat, I did not adjust to; it's dreadful, kills my legs after 4+ hours in the saddle, just as bad on the 20th day of a tour as the first. Riding my GF's ER6 was then quite weird. It felt like a YBR, bolt upright, high and wide handlebars, light and agile. On the other hand, the ER6f at speeds over 80mph is unpleasant, whereas cruising on the VFR at 100+ feels like nothing.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope when I get to try out a Yamaha V-max that I'm not sorely disappointed, but then again they are moddable for better handling and braking etc, that there must be plenty of potential in them?

If I hate them, I've no idea what I'd try next?
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Litre bike/hyper bike and modify to suit your riding position requirements?

On the bad shoulder/neck aches - I found a heavy helmet did this for me on sports bikes, but a 1.3kg helmet or so is fine (took me ages to work out that this was the problem.)
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always mentioned the ZZR1400 engine, airbox and exhaust removed and re-tuned to suit, but It would need to be a far more laid back bike than a litre sports chassis or long lay on the tank hyper bike etc.

Hard tail chop maybe?

I actually wouldn't mind a big fat square tank retro style like a Z1000 or GSX1100 or XS1100, but if you throw modern suspension, brakes and performance parts/engine swaps at them it's seen as destroying a classic, and not really in keeping with the style.

A bit like why a lot of people don't like LC350's with RGV suspension and wheel swaps etc.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I've always mentioned the ZZR1400 engine, airbox and exhaust removed and re-tuned to suit, but It would need to be a far more laid back bike than a litre sports chassis or long lay on the tank hyper bike etc.

Hard tail chop maybe?

I actually wouldn't mind a big fat square tank retro style like a Z1000 or GSX1100 or XS1100, but if you throw modern suspension, brakes and performance parts/engine swaps at them it's seen as destroying a classic, and not really in keeping with the style.

A bit like why a lot of people don't like LC350's with RGV suspension and wheel swaps etc.


I love bikes like that if it's done well. But it does seem a shame as they become rarer. On the other hand, bikes were made for riding - as long as there's always one pristine, bog standard one in a museum somewhere, I guess it doesn't really matter. Probably, if I had a good classic Jap, I'd keep it standard, but if I had one that for some reason I couldn't get to original condition, I'd upgrade/modify it.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not ridden anything with a really big engine yet. Like one of the big 13,00-1,400cc muscle bike type things.

The big Harley I rode doesn't count. If you can't get over 100bhp out of 1,380cc you can go to the back of the class.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Out of the comfort zone Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
Has anyone else tried something that they wouldn't normally be caught dead on and were surprised?


she bought an XV535, which following an injury was all I could ride for 6 months or so... weird, well weird, but it left an appreciation of V twin engines., but not the riding position.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Not ridden anything with a really big engine yet. Like one of the big 13,00-1,400cc muscle bike type things.



The gsx was like riding an armchair with a lump that could pull a tree trunk out the ground just looking at it underneath you. The best for me was the cb1300 which just felt like a big naked but with even more creamy power and torque
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:

The gsx was like riding an armchair with a lump that could pull a tree trunk out the ground just looking at it underneath you. The best for me was the cb1300 which just felt like a big naked but with even more creamy power and torque


I keep meaning to have a shot of my mates GSX1400. He suggested I should try one because I'm a big guy. His oppinion is that they get bad reviews in the press for being a bit lardy and unwieldy because most of the reviewers are fairly skinny track riders. If you're a big guy (and, claim to fame, said mate is the son of the guy throwing the hammer on the porridge oats packets), you can bully them back into shape.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

I keep meaning to have a shot of my mates GSX1400. He suggested I should try one because I'm a big guy. His oppinion is that they get bad reviews in the press for being a bit lardy and unwieldy because most of the reviewers are fairly skinny track riders. If you're a big guy (and, claim to fame, said mate is the son of the guy throwing the hammer on the porridge oats packets), you can bully them back into shape.


It was actually really comfy and I loved how smooth everything was. Until it tried to kill me - combination of cold, brand new tyres and more torque than I was expecting = major sideways moment. Still not sure how I got it back other than me bouncing my foot down sharp as I could.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

I keep meaning to have a shot of my mates GSX1400. He suggested I should try one because I'm a big guy. His oppinion is that they get bad reviews in the press for being a bit lardy and unwieldy because most of the reviewers are fairly skinny track riders. If you're a big guy (and, claim to fame, said mate is the son of the guy throwing the hammer on the porridge oats packets), you can bully them back into shape.


They're not called muscle bikes for nothing Laughing

I quite like having to put a bit of effort into riding a bike - but then, I learned on big, heavy bikes for the most part. It's a different kind of enjoyment, where you feel that you as the rider made it go round those corners; a sense of satisfaction from your own efforts.
No, they'll never do what a good sports bike will, but it's just another experience.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
Has anyone else tried something that they wouldn't normally be caught dead on and were surprised?


Rogerborg wrote:
I haven't tried a modern 600 supersports yet, but I'm fairly sure that I wouldn't enjoy the riding position.


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