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Ant132
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 31 Dec 2013    Post subject: Triumph Dresda Reply with quote

Hi all,

Got a mate who is selling a Triumph Dresda on behalf on his father in law (now deceased), he doesnt have any knowledge on bikes so asked me.

I've never heard of a Dresda though, apparently it is made by Dave Deagan (this is all he has told me, although i could be wrong).

He also has a '57 plate speed triple for sale, how much would it be worth roughly d'ya reckon?

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PostPosted: 12:13 - 31 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

An old bike converted?

https://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=classicmotorcycl;id=4;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edresda%2Eco%2Euk%2Fprofile%2Easp
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 31 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genuine Dresda Trident, is a queer and fickle beast;
Deagan registered himself as a manufacturer with HM Tax in order to qualify the bike as a 'production motorcycle' for racing.
Its basically a Bespoke-Built Triton, Norton/Triumph hybrid.
Tritons aren't all that rare, and value is entirely dependent on the spec and standard its built to; and Deagan built examples are no exception, with 'providence' being key; having paper-trail to show 'originality' in the Classic world.

Value? Well, Tritons, are bitzas; main parts the Feather-bed frame and road-holders, and Bonnie engine. Afficionado's will get picky over wide line and slim-line frames and the like; and TR5 motors with twin carbs etc; but bits to put together something you could call a Triton, could be worth as little as £1000 as an unfinished project, up to £10K+ for a show winning all period example with history and paperwork.

From your description? Stick your finger in the air and ask which way the wind blowing. Its not something we are going to be able to even give you a ball-park on without a heck of a lot more info, and even THEN.

My advice to your mate, especially if there is any contension over the estate and what its worth and whether some-one wants it; is true value is only going to be found when the thing goes under the hammer, somewhere like Sotherby's at Stafford Classic, and to contact who-ever's doing this years Stafford Auction and see what it takes to get it in the ring.

People's expectations of an old and famouse bike like that can be utterly out of sync with what they may fetch; and even the experts will put huge brackets around them; as they never know.

57 Speed Tripple; try Parkers Guides / MCN enough of them around to guage value fairly accurately.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 31 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dresdas are very rare and very in demand in the US. If it's in good nick and has a paper trail I wouldn't be surprised if it was worth 5 figures easily.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 31 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Dresdas are very rare and very in demand in the US. If it's in good nick and has a paper trail I wouldn't be surprised if it was worth 5 figures easily.

Rare? Hmm...
Rickman Interceptor, THAT is a 'rare' motorcycle. 137 Built from Matisse frames and Enfield Constellation engines, for Floyd Clymar's 'Indian' motorcycle company, flogged off by Rickman through Enfield franchises, when Clymar inconveniently got himself deaded!
Is a Rickman Metisse 'Rare'? a 'kit' bike, built to customer specs from Rickman bits?
Its All relative and Deagan is a Back-Yard Special Builder "Made-Good", like the Rickmans, who went on to make his own frames and offer a range of 'period' after-market Cafe-Racer accessories and hop-up bits; just like Rickman, or Norman Hyde, and been doing it, in low volumes a LOT of years, putting together bikes to customer specs, from his catalogue the whole while.
And like they say about the Gold-Star, there are more of them about than ever left Armoury-Road! With back-yard Triton builders putting together Tritons with all the bits they can get out the Dresda catalogue, sticking the name on the tank!
A genuine, verifiable Deagans built Dresda could fetch big money; but even if the Log-Book declares Dresda as the Manufacturer, it isn't definitely a Deagan built bike; could be a self registered kit build in Deagan supplied frame.
Its all down to that 'providence' and paper-trail back to a Deagan's customer build sheet, and more, what's on it, and how closely the bike, now, may resemble that original build spec.
Otherwise, its just a box of old, second hand cafe-racer trick-up bits.
I wouldn't get my hopes up over it being a big-money find, too soon. Could be... but, odds are, more likely to turn out to be a late, production wide-line Featherbed or Featherbed Copy frame, with Dresda engine plates to mount a Triumph Twin engine dressed with Dresda tank and seat unit; worth little more than the Speed-Tripple, if taxed and tested!
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 31 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if your going to waffle; at least get some facts right.

Dresda TRITON not Trident.
The man's surname is Degan.
Mettise ( from the French " Of mixed ancestory " ) not Mattise who was a painter, FFS.

On the subject of originality; Dave has all the registered frame and engine number and build records to this day and would be more than happy to verify.

Here is a link to a fairly tatty average spec. bike sold last year.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19766/lot/389/
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 31 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

willandrip wrote:
Well if your going to waffle; at least get some facts right.

Dresda TRITON not Trident.
The man's surname is Degan.
Mettise ( from the French " Of mixed ancestory " ) not Mattise who was a painter, FFS.

On the subject of originality; Dave has all the registered frame and engine number and build records to this day and would be more than happy to verify.

Here is a link to a fairly tatty average spec. bike sold last year.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19766/lot/389/


Thanks willandrip, showing Tef to be the waffler he truly is. Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 31 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

willandrip wrote:

The man's surname is Degan.


It's actually Degens
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 31 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arh... I was just waiting to see who would spot that. !
Surprised no-one picked up on the spelling of Clymer; most will have
one of their manuals.
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