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Ribenapigeon
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: types of riveting other than pop rivets Reply with quote

What are the alternatives to pop riveting? i've seen nut riveters listed on ebay but I'm now sure wehter that is different or just another name for a pop rivet. What are the advantages/disadvantages of different types of riveting. I'm wanting to rivet 2-3 mm aluminium by the way.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea but...

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PostPosted: 19:53 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not an expert but essentially pop rivetts can be easily fitted with access to only one side of the rivett using a cheap tool that any fool can operate.

Most other sorts, while looking tidy and presentable on both sides, require access to both sides of the item being rivetted so they can be compressed against a shaping die of some sort and require a special, relatively expensive tool.

Pretty sure a rivet nut is one that essentially creates a threaded hole when fitted.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nut rivet is a different thing. It resembles a big pop river but it's not for fastening two pieces together. Instead its used on a single thickness of material, but when its used it leaves a threaded hole that you can screw a bolt into.

Used for sheet materials where a screwed fastener is required but the material is too thin to take a screw thread and there is no access to the back to fit a nut.

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PostPosted: 20:09 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZebraDriver wrote:
Nut rivet is a different thing. It resembles a big pop river but it's not for fastening two pieces together. Instead its used on a single thickness of material, but when its used it leaves a threaded hole that you can screw a bolt into.

Used for sheet materials where a screwed fastener is required but the material is too thin to take a screw thread and there is no access to the back to fit a nut.

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If I get you right, its like a nut gets embeded into the sheet material?
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternative's? Silicon RTV and polyurethane seam sealers are both excellent flexible adhesives. Araldite will also bond clean, lightly abraded steel quite effectively.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot Rivets use the contraction of hot metal to pull the sheets together. Used for pressure vessels, ship hulls and bridges.
The finished joint is pressure/water tight.

Cold Rivets where the rivet is deformed using a die (Which has a negative profile the rivet head fits in.) and a ball peen hammer. The sheets are clamped together and the rivet struck on it's end against the die to 'set' the rivet. This is where the shank is squeezed out to fit tight in the plate holes.
The head is then peened over to almost match the rivet head.
Another die is then used to make the peened over shank the same profile as the head.

Pop Rivets are a cheap and simplified cold rivet.
They do not have the same strength as hot or cold rivets so can only be used in areas not subjected to large forces. (forces can be anything that pulls the sheets apart.)

Hot and Peened rivets probably look better than pop rivets.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
forces can be anything that pulls the sheets apart.

Really?
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 02 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Walloper wrote:
forces can be anything that pulls the sheets apart.

Really?
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've made pikey farmer-grade "rivets" before using iron nails. Use the nail-head as one end, and upset the remaining shaft with a ball peen hammer to for the other.

I can't be the only one to do this, obviously not massively strong but it has its uses (like fixing a patch on a tractor seat this summer).

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PostPosted: 19:26 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZebraDriver wrote:

Used for sheet materials where a screwed fastener is required but the material is too thin to take a screw thread and there is no access to the back to fit a nut.


To expand on this a touch, you can find them on alloy frames on bikes quite often.

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PostPosted: 19:35 - 03 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems the best type of riveting I found for I want to do is the type used to flush riivet airframes. Problem is you need an airhammer.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Seems the best type of riveting I found for I want to do is the type used to flush riivet airframes. Problem is you need an airhammer.


And something at the back.
The air hammer is only for the sake of speed. You can do it by hand just the same.
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