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Quite probably the previous owners had landed up in credit, or the meter had not been changed since npower increased their prices a couple of months ago.
Reading a meter is not the same as changing the meter rate. And I wouldn't be surprised if the company doing the meter reading is a different one to the owners of the meter. So unlikely the reader could change the meter rate.
This is standard for all the electricity / gas suppliers.
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The credit on the meter would assume that the rate on the meter was set correctly.
It would be entirely possible for the meter to be accounting based on 8p a units while the electricity is billed to the customer at (say) 10p a unit. So if you paid for £800 worth of tokens you would get £1000 worth of electric and be £200 in debt.
Putting a token in the meter does nothing to pay for the electric instead it merely trigger the meter to release the electric. It is buying the tokens that pays for the electric. This is why using tokens someone else has bought (or stolen) is pointless.
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Hi
Depends on the setup. There were Smartcard electric meters which took readings between the meter and the electricity supplier, allowing easy adjustment of the meter rates, credit, etc, when recharged. However these were regarded as non standard (think only 2~3 of the regional electric companies used them) and so dumped as people moved between suppliers, replaced with just basic token type setups (initially most would have just been switched to basic token or credit mode). I don't think the industry data systems support this kind of processing. Supply and distribution are split, hence the company generating the electric, the company selling it to you, the company whose lines the power goes through to reach you, the company reading the meter and the company that own the meter are likely all different, hence for anything to be used the central systems must support it.
I am not sure how the gas smart cards work but suspect they are the same.
The point of tokens and the like was to keep usage pretty close to payments. But when the cost of gas or electric changes the meters rate needs to be updated to reflect this. As such people can easily get into debt. When this happens the rate is (eventually) adjusted above the cost of the units until they are back in credit, or more likely until they are some way in credit .
When you buy credit you get (say) £10 worth of credit. This goes to the meter as being £10 at whatever rate the meter is set up to supply, while being fed back to your supplier as £10 to pay your bill at whatever the real current rate is. Hence ultimately for billing the rate the meter supplies units at is irrelevant. The rate could change for billing on a particular day (with the bill calculated based on how many days of use were before and after that date), but it could easily be months or even years later that the rate on the meter is updated.
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Good luck sorting it out. I used to get my gas and electric from Npower and despite trying several times I found it literally impossibru to get through to an actual person on the phone.
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The second largest of the big 6 (who supply me) has almost 10 million customer accounts. Assume a single figure percentage for PAYG type meters. If they change their prices, are they going to manage to visit up to a million meters within a timescale that you deem "acceptable"?
They currently aim to read their meters every 6 months, assuming they can get access, which is an indication of the level of resource they have for reading meters so what do they do? Employ more meter readers? That will increase their costs, which will increase their bills as they seek to cover them.
Smart meters are being rolled out which gives real time information to your supplier over the gsm network, which takes away from the need to read the meter, so hopefully these issues will resolve themselves.
When you go to a paypoint or whatever to get your key credited, it will credit the value to your account as well as allowing you to transfer the value to the meter, to allow the meter to release that value to you.
Contact NP and tell them that you will struggle to pay immediately and explain your situation - no supplier will disconnect in the winter, and they will take measures that will allow you to work your way out of being in deficit over a number of months, much like Kickstart described. ____________________ '82 C50, '81 CB100, '84 GS125, '95 NTV650, '00 Bandit 600, '06 SV650, '56 Z1000, '89 NTV600
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