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PostPosted: 21:31 - 13 Jan 2014    Post subject: Riding in/out of car tracks Reply with quote

I try and keep centre in the lane to stake my road position but some roads I find have grooves where cars have been. So the centre, aside from having gravel and whatnot sometimes, is a little bit of a hump. At the risk of not wanting to slip, I have then been riding in one of the tracks, either inside or outside. Is the hump in the middle prone more to slipping and risk of falling? This is a possible stupid question for both wet and dry conditions.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 13 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm, well I tend to use the tracked areas for corners anyway I swing to the middle for lefts and over to the lefts for right hand turns. You will tend to find those areas have a touch more grip too and less crap on some roads. Just my opinion obviously.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 13 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of riders ride in the tracks, the middle tends to be where all the crap builds up.
Stay right of centre though, not left as this is just inviting cagers to try and muscle past you.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 13 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right of centre of your lane should be the default position, but road positioning depends on the situation of any given moment, and in most cases will be constantly varying. You might wind up on the centre hump to avoid some other hazard, pothole, patch of diesel, vehicle drifting over in opposing lane etc. Once clear, then reposition at right of centre. You can't maintain that constantly though.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 13 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I guess i was defaulting to left of centre, dont know why though. If there was no debris in the centre hump, is the actual hump hazardous.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 13 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks. I guess i was defaulting to left of centre, dont know why though. If there was no debris in the centre hump, is the actual hump hazardous.
The 'hump' if there is one is usually in the centre of the whole road, i.e down the white line, if you imagine the road is one big piece of tarmac curving downward slightly at either side. Some roads dont even have one, but it becomes more of a problem at the very outer side where it cambers off towards the side of the gutter - Another reason to avoid left of centre in your lane, as the edge cambre can sometimes make you steer towards the side of the road slightly, which is obviously not good if youre near a hedge or whatever and are already close to it being left of the centre Razz
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 13 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doomsnite wrote:
is the actual hump hazardous.

No.

Or perhaps yes.

It depends, doesn't it?

You will find more crud there, I avoid it. Right hand tyre track for me.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 13 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks. I guess i was defaulting to left of centre, dont know why though. If there was no debris in the centre hump, is the actual hump hazardous.
The 'hump' if there is one is usually in the centre of the whole road, i.e down the white line, if you imagine the road is one big piece of tarmac curving downward slightly at either side. Some roads dont even have one, but it becomes more of a problem at the very outer side where it cambers off towards the side of the gutter - Another reason to avoid left of centre in your lane, as the edge cambre can sometimes make you steer towards the side of the road slightly, which is obviously not good if youre near a hedge or whatever and are already close to it being left of the centre Razz

I meant in the actual lane, not the carriageway. Round here there's loads of poor roads with deep tracks in each lane so a centre hump.

Will just stick to right track where possible Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 14 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple rule of thumb. Normal riding: right hand track. At a junction turning left: move (after lifesaver) to the right hand track. Keep out of areas not frequently used as that's where crap builds up and your wheel can slip on these areas especially when turning. When taking bends it changes, on a right hander you move to the left, this is so you don't lean your head into the path of oncoming trafficn which could be uncomfortably lethal Smile

There are two good reasons not to ride in the left hand track. Firstly cars will push past you and oncoming trafific will also (if passing parked vehicles) take the gap as an invitation to move into your side of the road. Secondly, riding on the left you could rear end a cyclist or hit a pedestrian. Pedestrians looking to cross the road often don't see you. They're thinking CAR not bike/bicycle/kangeroo. I'm suprised they didn't tell you this on your CBT.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 14 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, he just showed me road position when approaching junctions and roundabouts. Moving to left and right after lifesafer depending on which way I'm turning. Thanks for the info Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 14 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the same principle of wet weather F1 racing the tyres (or tires if you're not in the UK) will create a dry line by dispersing the water. This is good. So ride in the lanes created.

However, don't just ride in one, you should use all of the lane. That means moving to the right on a left hand bend and vice versa for a right bend. This gives you a better view of the road ahead.

It's also useful to move position if following a truck. Remember you have to see its mirrors for the driver to stand any chance of seeing you.

Only time I'd be wary of riding in the tyre tracks is if it's bad frost or icy/snowy. The car wheels will compress/compact the frozen stuff and make even more hazardous.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 14 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you ride in the outside tyre markings of minor roads especially when the road has dirt or farm debris in the area between the tyre markings always be aware a very wide vehicle could appear round the bend giving you very little chance to move over and potentially have to ride over debris to do so, some of the trye "tracks" wander over close to the centre of the road on the bends
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 14 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easter Bunny wrote:
If you ride in the outside tyre markings of minor roads especially when the road has dirt or farm debris in the area between the tyre markings always be aware a very wide vehicle could appear round the bend giving you very little chance to move over and potentially have to ride over debris to do so, some of the trye "tracks" wander over close to the centre of the road on the bends
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If you're riding towards the right of your lane on a left hander, you'll see Hetzer's brother coming earlier.

On a right-hander, you should be on the left of your lane anyway, for the same reason.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 14 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Easter Bunny wrote:
If you ride in the outside tyre markings of minor roads especially when the road has dirt or farm debris in the area between the tyre markings always be aware a very wide vehicle could appear round the bend giving you very little chance to move over and potentially have to ride over debris to do so, some of the trye "tracks" wander over close to the centre of the road on the bends
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If you're riding towards the right of your lane on a left hander, you'll see Hetzer's brother coming earlier.
On a right-hander, you should be on the left of your lane anyway, for the same reason.

Plus there's that old chestnut that you should be able to stop in the distance ahead that you can see to be clear.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 14 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

Plus there's that old chestnut that you should be able to stop in the distance ahead that you can see to be clear.



Doesn't take into account the combined speed of approaching car drivers texting Wink
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