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 CGJIM Derestricted Danger
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 Posted: 13:44 - 29 Dec 2004 Post subject: CG 125 confusion |
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Hello everyone.
I have a question about GC engines. Can anyone tell me if the engine design has ever changed over the years? I recently bought an 04 model and am still runing it in at 300 miles. I have read lots of reviews and opinions on the cg i have heard top speeds quoted at 45, 50, 55, 75 mph. My cg will do about 37 MPH in 4th gear before needing to change up to fifth. Can anyone tell me if this is because its not fully run in or are the new models slower for any reason? I am not expecting a speed machine from a 4 stroke pushrod engine, but the dealer told me that it would cruise at 50 and i could take it to 55 easily.
Thanks, Jim
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 Posted: 13:47 - 29 Dec 2004 Post subject: Re: CG 125 confusion |
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If you're still running it in you should be changing up lower.
I presume it's a UK model?
Mine did 65 in 5th on a straight; got up to 75 with a hiull and some wind once . |
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CG engines are very tough.. and the only ay you'll get that bike to move is to use that little engine hard, and work those gears well.
Treat with expensive oil once a year minimum..
You should know when you need to upshift by gears.. it all depends on what conditions your in. If your riding against wind, the engine will have to work very hard before each upshift, or you will loose speed on the next gear.
We have a CG engine that did 30,000 miles, and is now in a dirt bike, and gets the living S*** thrashed out of it, yet it still does the job
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The manual on a CG125 gives the top speed as 63mph. I managed to get nearly 70mph on a downhill run, going back up the same hill into a headwind I could only manage 45 mph.
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Hi,
Thanks for the replys.
Do you think that its just because my bike is being run in or is it unusualy slow ? My bike is a 54 registered UK model in silver. I cant see any reason why it should be slower than normal, everything is fine and its an excelent little bike .
Thanks, Jim ____________________ Unusualy slow 2004 CG 125  |
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When i'm thrashing my 2001 bike, i'll come close to 37mph in 3rd gear Does your bike have marks on the speedo, that tell you the maximum speed you can downshift into a certain gear? The one for 4th gear is at 50/55mph on my bike, and I generally use this as the target before shifting up to 5th.
You probably shouldn't be trying to work the engine so hard since it's not run in, but I don't see how being a new engine would cause its performance to be so less... ____________________ Hard livin', hard luck. |
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Do you think that its just because my bike is being run in or is it unusualy slow. I cant see any reason why it should be slower than normal, everything is fine and its an excelent little bike.
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Well, all I can suggest is see what the dealer says at it's first service....500 miles I think on a new CG..that is when mine had her first one.
To me though, 300 miles and new or not, 37mph in 4th gear would not have suited me and I would have questioned it, as you have.
I did not, by any means, thrash my bike at 300 miles on the clock, but I do recall it going a damn lot quicker that 37.
As for the top speed being 63..I don't know how they tested this..probably by the sounds of it on a straight flat with some wind.
Going up a hill in wind..yes..about 55 for my bike...50 in strong winds.
In the summer..on a calm wonderful day (do you remember !!??..no, neither do I !! ) ..I got up to 72 on a flat. ____________________ Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow" |
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Hello,
My bike seems realy slow compared to everyone else's .
Here is when i have to change gear (MPH).
1st 10
2nd 20
3rd 27 vibration sets in.
4th 37
5th only managed 47 upto now as i dont want to go any faster. Even if i did go faster it seems like i am running out of gear range.
I know that they do not restrict CG's so i am totaly confused and extremely dissapointed. I will ask the dealer but i am sure he will tell me some lies as he wont want to do anything about it. Is there anything that anyone can think of which is causing my bike to be slow??? The engine runs fine, its as if they have droped the wrong gearbox into my bike.
Thanks, Jim  ____________________ Unusualy slow 2004 CG 125  |
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I'd say wait till it's run in (600 miles for sake of argument ), then give it full throttle in fifth. I should hope it would do 60 without _too_ much trouble. If it doesn't do that, then you know something's not quite right.
Until you get used to revving the bike as much as it needs to get much out of it, it'll seem awfully high, but CG's thrive on being ragged, don't they? Just give it plenty of oil changes when it's being run in (I changed it at 200, 500, 800 and 1000 miles I think) and some decent quality stuff at intervals of a maximum of a year after that, and it should be fine.
Past 50-55 or so, there's not an awful lot of grunt left anyway, though just about 8000 or so there is a little bit of oomph. I'd not think you've taken it that far yet. There is an awful lot more range in fifth than you might think really. It'll pull from 30 to 60 without complaint.
(Though I'll be honest, on my rather ponderous CG-powered Hongdou , I did go up a tooth on the front sprocket.) ____________________ I must not be a troll...
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Hi Mchagis. Thanks for the help.
I will take your advice and see what happens. I'm abit woried about changing the oil because of waranty, I think a torque wrench is needed when tightening the sump plug back up. What i find worrying though is that peopl say their cg will do 70mph which seems a very long way away when i have just changed into top gear at 37mph, its as if 1 gear will do more range than the other 4 put together. Thanks for the help mate, I will go shoping for some good semi synthetic oil.
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Thanks Kickstart.
Will keep you posted once its run in.
Jim ____________________ Unusualy slow 2004 CG 125  |
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Hi Pipnet11,
When i say i need to change gear it is because of vibrations. Once i have done another 200 miles i will open it up abit, I worry that i am over revving the engine though. I gues when people say their bike will do 55-60 i guess that their bike is screaming down the road with mega vibration???? Is it true that the CG engine needs high revs to keep it going throught he gears?
Cheers, Jim
Ps. When changing the oil is it ok to use a different make once you have dropped the last lot?? ____________________ Unusualy slow 2004 CG 125  |
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Hi Jodie, I took the bike to 40 today in 4th gear and it felt like i needed to change up. I cant understand why your bike will sit at 55 nicely in 4th when mine is needing to change at 40. I cant see that there is any problem mechanicaly with my bike. I will definately be asking my dealer about it. When i said mega vibration i was probably over exagerating but when at 40 i could feel the footpegs and handle bards vibrating. At the moment 55 is a distant and amazing speed to me .
Thanks for your help with the testing
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A local! Im in Darlington mate and i have an SR125.
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The RHS of the engine in mine vibrates like a bugger at about 7-8000 rpm. I just have to wind it up to the red line to get rid of the vibration.  ____________________ I must not be a troll...
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Hi Jodie and Mchaggis,
Thanks for giving me the extra confidence
Aparently the service is free except for things needed like oil, otherwise free . The fastest i have been is about 47 in 5th gear which felt fast after riding at 35 for 350 miles even so my old speedfight would do 60 on the clock (more like 50). I've had the bike in the kitchen today and gave it a good clean and i'm now crossing my fingers. Mchaggis, does your bike have a rev counter ?
Thanks for your excelent help, im realy pleased i found this forum.
James
Proximity, If you want to go for a ride some time once my bike is run in just give me a pm Sure we could meet up somewhere. ____________________ Unusualy slow 2004 CG 125  |
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