Daft DAS question - really 4 or 5 days of training?

[djrikki]

Only been riding for about a month all in now after passing the CBT and have been quite happy scooting around on the 125 with L plates.

After the full day CBT and this past month Im planning the DAS - though still a good few months away as I want to get more experience.

One question is though, since Ill have been riding for 4 months probably racking up over 1000 miles in that time - why does the DAS consist of 4 or 5 days of training?

Ive been deemed safe enough to go out by myself on the CBT so what magic does the DAS training involve before test?

Just curious about it not meaning anything negative by my post.

Thanks

[CaNsA]

I had been on a 125 for about 2yrs before i started my DAS training, still done the 5 day course.

Riding a 500cc bike is very different to riding a lightweight 125.

[kerr]

You dont have to take a 3 -5 day course, i just took a lessons til i was ready to sit the mod 1, all i needed for the mod 2 was 2 hours of training as i had been riding about on my own bike, i did the theory in my own time before i started lessons.
I think its a common misconception that DAS mean a course, it just means your old enough to have direct access to a full licence.
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[pinkyfloyd]

Not sure about other schools but our 3 day DAS course is as follows.

Day 1. We put you on a 125cc in the yard for 10 minutes to assess your skill. Then do a big bike conversion. If you have done your CBT with us then we do the big bike conversion. We then run through the basics in the yard. A little like the yard work on the CBT. Show you slow control, get you used to the weight etc. Then spend the whole day out on the roads just riding. Getting you confident on the machine and putting as many miles as possible. Normally around 150 miles.

Day 2. We do this the day before you do the mod 1. Normally we can get you down to the test centre for a practice and then spend a lot of the day in the yard brushing up on the slow control and mod 1 stuff.

Day 2.5 is test day. we take you from the yard to your test and back.

Day 3 is the day before mod 2. We spend the day riding around the test routes and put you through some mock tests.

Day 3.5 is test day and we take you to and from the test site.

So really with us your 3 day DAS actually incorporates 5 days but the test days you do not really get lessons. You have time to come, pick the bike up and ride to the centre. Pass mod 2 and sometimes we just tell you to bugger off for half an hour and make your own way to the yard and we come home without you. Theres something special about that first ride after you have passed with no radio.
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[Rogerborg]

DAS (Direct AccesS) refers to the test, and to the certificate held by trainers.

There's not really any such thing as a DAS "course", by which I mean no standard for it, although everyone will know what you mean when you say you're "doing DAS".

It's up to you to negotiate with the training school. Bear in mind that they're trusting you with their bike, booking time in for you, and putting their reputation behind you with the local DVSA Derek. They're unlikely to just rent you a bike and an instructor to shepherd you to Shieldhall - they're in the business of training.

Bear in mind that if you're confident and competent (and I suspect both will apply), there's nothing stopping you getting your own suitable A2 or A bike, insuring it on your provisionaL entitlement (try Bikesure), slapping L plates on it and just having a go at the tests yourself. You don't have to go via a training school.

You'll need to get the bike to and from the test centre legally, which means a van, trailer, get someone with a license and "other bike" insurance to ride it in for you or don't get caught.

Where are you thinking of doing your training? I've only heard good things about Ride-On, and I can't recall seeing anything bad about Bike-It.
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[MC]

Generally they're 3 - 4 days, 5 often includes the CBT. Some places offer 2 day courses, but you have to be near test standard to do one I think. Also you have to check that they're not half days or even shorter sessions, as your "5 day" course could be shorter than a 3 day course at another school.
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[wr6133]

[G30]

It really does depend on the person.

If you've been riding a 125 I'd say you'd only need a day for each training. So 3 days including the tests.

I myself got used to the bigger bike (CB500F compared to YBR125) within 10 minutes and this was in a relatively small area. After the initial nerves and getting used to the handling difference it felt so much better (well it felt better straight away). The braking, the control (as in the sturdiness), the shifts, the acceleration, the slow riding, the general riding, everything. It was easier to ride.

I actually have the R version now because I liked it so much.
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[djrikki]

Brilliant replies.

And that has cleared it up for me a lot.

Just to reiterate the point that I in no way think Im a god due to running a 125 in the mean time, 15 years in a car and every day is a school day there too and more and more defensive driving comes to the fore.

I think it will be BikeRite in Glasgow/Rutherglen I'll use as although at the time of the CBT I felt Route66 were good and the trainer was lovely, the information I was given seems to be misguided (always have your right foot covering the brake etc).

Thankfully Im not as young and daft as I once was either so Im not in a mad keen rush to get to more power either.

Thanks again

[Rogerborg]

I doubt that you're the sort that responds well to sarcasm and belittling, so I'd be careful about putting money down at BikeRite before meeting the instructor who will actually be riding with you. See the Scotland forum for details.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[djrikki]

Oh right, Ill check that out just now. Cheers!

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[totalllama82]

[wr6133]

[Rigga]

My DAS was Mon to thurs with mod 1 and mod 2 on Friday. The only experience I'd had before that was my cbt a month earlier.
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[Rogerborg]

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