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guile
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Post crash write-off, salvage value etc Reply with quote

If your bike gets written off after a crash in Cat C/D, how do you go about attempting to buy the bike back for cheap? What should a £2k value bike be offered for via salvage direct to the owner?

I have heard people say that you should not let the insurance take the bike away to their 'inspection' compounds because you will never see it again. If so, how do you allow the insurer to inspect the crash damage?
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Re: Post crash write-off, salvage value etc Reply with quote

They can send an assessor to you.

Just ring them up and mention you'd like to buy it back if written off.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK but what sort of money are they going to try to charge me for it? Will it just be scrap value or do they inflate their prices due to their option to selling it to salvage guys?

I have no idea where I stand in negotiating.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually you get a decent deal.

It won't be scrap value for a bike - even for a heavy bike you're talking maybe £45 maximum.

It will depend on various factors, including if it's a C or D.

As an incredibly rough estimate; maybe 1/4 of the value of the vehicle, but it does vary a lot.

And yes, you do have to be careful that no one gets their eye on it, or they send it straight to auction.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. Am I right in saying that I can insist it is repaired to the original standard (even if this will cost them more than the value of the bike)?
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

guile wrote:
Thanks for the info. Am I right in saying that I can insist it is repaired to the original standard (even if this will cost them more than the value of the bike)?


There was a guy who did this on the Landyzone forum with his old Landrover a few years ago. There's a long thread with all the relevant bits of legislation, guidance, and utter ball ache he went through to get it done. Well worth searching for and having a read if you're thinking of taking that route.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't bother getting it repaired, would take the cash, buy back the wreckage and have it as a backup/winter hack with minimal cash thrown at it.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're looking at in the region of £350-500 for bike at the value of yours.

They don't sell them back cheaply anymore.

The money comes out of your pay out, so never have to pay anything up front.

If it's a cat c/d all you need to do to get it back on the road is repair it. It doesn't need an new MOT.

If/when you sell it, you must tell the potential buyer that it is a cat c/d
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
If it's a cat c/d all you need to do to get it back on the road is repair it. It doesn't need an new MOT.

If/when you sell it, you must tell the potential buyer that it is a cat c/d


If it is cat whatever, you can just stick it back on the road.

You don't have to inform them, it should be listed on V5/HPI but you can be nice and advise was previously written off.

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PostPosted: 16:11 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

it all depends on the price their disposer pays per unit, there is too much hassle for them to negotiate over every bike, so a breaker will tender a contract for the period on offer at £xxx per bike, sometimes they loose when they get a burnt out scooter which is worth less than the contracted payout, other times they win if a late registered superbike comes in with minimal damage.

AFAIK, it's your bike, they can't refuse you if you want to keep the salvage, but they can make it too expensive to consider

if your bike is at a dealers for estimating or inspection, make perfectly clear that no-one other than you can remove it without your permission
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didnt even have the hassle about maybe buying my diversion back. First letter I received after the assessor came said it was a Cat C and valued the bike at £1300, they said they would give me £1000 and the bike.....not too bad for a 94 diversion. Only needed the front fairing and mud guard fibre glassed (which my dad did), a foot peg, forks seals and forks being twisted back.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

just remembered a laugh we had

my mate's RD400E got written off as some turd stole it and parked it into a car at 60mph+ nearly loosing a leg in the process

breakers took forever to come and fetch it, we removed the RD400 engine from it and sold it for a lot of money, loosely dropped an RD250 engine in the frame that looked like it had been at the bottom of a canal, then used the whole bike for airgun practise for months, when they came to collect it I was surprised they took it away as it was truly scrap
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

you're looking at probably 20% or so of the value as salvage, depending on who you're dealing with, all insures calculate it differently, but if you think 20% you wont go far wrong

gone are the days of paying next to nothing for it, breakers will pay over the odds to insurers because in most cases they'll be able to break or sell on for a profit.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was hoping to buy it back but I just wheeled it around earlier the steering felt all wobbly - any idea what that is? Maybe either bent forks or warped wheel? The front took a big hit. Do the damage assessors do a thorough test with regards to forks/wheels being straight or is it more of an eye test?

I can't be fixing major shit. Maybe I will just take the full payout and let them keep the bike.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
If it's a cat c/d all you need to do to get it back on the road is repair it. It doesn't need an new MOT.

Is that different for "cat" A/B? If so, why? What offence would be committed?

c-m wrote:
If/when you sell it, you must tell the potential buyer that it is a cat c/d

Why? What offence or tort would be committed if you didn't volunteer the information?
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

guile wrote:
I was hoping to buy it back but I just wheeled it around earlier the steering felt all wobbly - any idea what that is? Maybe either bent forks or warped wheel? The front took a big hit. Do the damage assessors do a thorough test with regards to forks/wheels being straight or is it more of an eye test?

I can't be fixing major shit. Maybe I will just take the full payout and let them keep the bike.


If you let me know the buy back value, I may have it off you, that way you get full pay out and I get a shed to ride. What bike was it? Wink

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PostPosted: 20:53 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Is that different for "cat" A/B? If so, why? What offence would be committed?

Of course it's not; but there's an awful lot of stories of people having loads of hassle when they do try and get one back on the road.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

While this is a topic of discussion. If you own your bike and you pay your insurance yearly and your bike gets fucked up.

How can they charge you to buy back something you already own ?
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 04 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

finniee wrote:
While this is a topic of discussion. If you own your bike and you pay your insurance yearly and your bike gets fucked up.

How can they charge you to buy back something you already own ?


They don't. They pay out the value for the wreck once it's written off so then the bike becomes theirs, they "bought" it off you. So basically they sell it back to you though they charge you by paying you less on the payout for when they "bought" it from you.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 05 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a reasonable question.

All policies that I've read limit the fire, theft or comprehensive payout to the market value of the bike.

That's fair enough, but the bit about only receiving that payout if you agree to sell the bike to the insurer is slightly hooky.

£5000 bike and an off.

£4999 claim, you have £4999 and your bike.
£5000 claim, you have £5000 and no bike.

I can see why insurers are keen to write off bikes.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 05 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Why? What offence or tort would be committed if you didn't volunteer the information?


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But the OFT is sufficiently concerned to have made the regulation of the used-car trade “an enforcement priority”, and recently completed a study into all aspects of it. It found “a high level of consumer complaints” and is now considering whether existing consumer protection legislation is “sufficient and effective”.

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I would say that if a private seller did not declare. You would have a good claim via Small claim court for miss selling or failure to declare relevant information.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 05 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Why? What offence or tort would be committed if you didn't volunteer the information?


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But the OFT is sufficiently concerned to have made the regulation of the used-car trade “an enforcement priority”, and recently completed a study into all aspects of it. It found “a high level of consumer complaints” and is now considering whether existing consumer protection legislation is “sufficient and effective”.

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I would say that if a private seller did not declare. You would have a good claim via Small claim court for miss selling or failure to declare relevant information.


So it isn't exactly an offence.

Perhaps when buying a vehicle, you should do a HPI. Regardless of what Mr Seller is saying, pull your finger out, £3.50, job jobbed.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 05 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
I would say that if a private seller did not declare. You would have a good claim via Small claim court for miss selling or failure to declare relevant information.

In what statute or case law does "failure to declare relevant information" appear, in the context of a private sale?
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 05 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

In what statute or case law does "failure to declare relevant information" appear, in the context of a private sale?


Never said there was...

Consumer advice

I would say that failure to NOT tell a buyer. Would leave yourself open to a case against you as you would be failing to declare a material fact about the vehicle.


It would seem that you have to declare a write off when taking out a policy
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For Category C and Category D vehicles, it is important for owners to ensure that they declare the 'written off' status of their car to their insurers when first insuring the vehicle, as failure to do so may invalidate their insurance cover"

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PostPosted: 16:22 - 05 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
It would seem that you have to declare a write off when taking out a policy
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For Category C and Category D vehicles, it is important for owners to ensure that they declare the 'written off' status of their car to their insurers when first insuring the vehicle, as failure to do so may invalidate their insurance cover"

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Have they written this up in law yet, I'd love to know where you would stand with "I didn't know it was written off previously" in court. I for one, never HPI a bike, I really couldn't give a toss if its been bent previously Laughing
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