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iExist
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Why aren't chains here enclosed in a "chain case"? Reply with quote

Why aren't chains completely enclosed in a chain case like in some other countries? Especially considering the terrible weather they are exposed to here in the UK compared to countries like India where its common to see something like this:

https://www.motorsbros.com/images/Hero-Splendor-Plus-04.jpg

Wouldn't this reduce chain maintenance considerably and prolong the chain's life?

Lastly, can I get something like this for my CBF125 for the winter?
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably to reduce costs, weight and allow flinging lubrication.

Some bikes have sealed enclosed chains which are partly filled with oil. They make chains last ages but cost MPG and are extremely messy when you have to open it up.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're more prevalent in India because it also acts as a saree guard. As in stops the loose fabric from the kind of clothes than most women wear from getting caught up in the chain.

But yeh I reckon it is a good idea and would make sense on a commuter style bike.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always figured it used in places like India quite a lot because of being on such dusty roads in a lot of areas.

Unless it was entirely sealed one used in the UK might act like a moisture trap in the wet months here. Might cause more rust than just leaving it open to the elements perhaps?
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easier to lube and keep an eye on chain condition if it's not enclosed though? I'm sure that's not the reason, but it's a good side effect of not having it enclosed.

Good point about clothes Moppy, and from what I've seen in Asian countries, whole families are draped over the bike rather than one person riding it
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fashion. My first legal bike had one in the early 80s (CG125). MZ250s used to have them around the same time.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
Fashion. My first legal bike had one in the early 80s (CG125). MZ250s used to have them around the same time.


Exactly, fashion. No other reason.

In the 70's and 80's just about every commuter bike had an enclosed chain guard.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because it makes it look like a child's bicycle?

https://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/555039/6066424/0/1212738197.jpg

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PostPosted: 18:42 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the chain and sprockets are one of the most visually pleasing parts of a bike. Enclosed guards look a bit naff, imho.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
Fashion. My first legal bike had one in the early 80s (CG125).


Yup. My 1996 CG had one, but I took it off, as it was dented and catching the chain!
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus it would make it a pain in the arse to look after, checking tension and lubing etc
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baffler186 wrote:
Easier to lube and keep an eye on chain condition if it's not enclosed though?....


+1 for this...
I know if I had the chain enclosed I'd probably ignore the chain condition most of the time, and end up risking it snapping etc without warning.

I think I prefer being able to see the condition of the chain on a daily basis.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rigga wrote:
Plus it would make it a pain in the arse to look after, checking tension and lubing etc


Not really as that's what the black rubber plug is for. The bigger issue would be forgetting to do it
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea, but I have much the same question about other bike parts as well.

Fork gaiters.
Radiator guards.
Mudguards / huggers that actually work.

Fashion over function, save a few pennies in production, sell parts later when the bike pits, rots out or springs a leak.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rigga wrote:
Plus it would make it a pain in the arse to look after, checking tension and lubing etc


As someone pointed out earlier, we can use the black rubber plug for checking its health. Secondly, we wouldn’t need to lube up or adjust the chain as much because it will be protected from the elements and not collect as much dirt/salt or wash the lube off.

I would much rather sacrifice looks during the winter in order to avoid maintaining it every week when ridden in rain couple of times. My chain has only about one adjustment left until it will need replacing.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you want that front drum brake that also shown in the picture Wink
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Do you want that front drum brake that also shown in the picture Wink

Is India, you brake by steering into the nearest elephant.

I'd rather have a decent drum over a mediocre disc - I'm thinking of the rear brakes on my GPz305 and GPZ500S.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Do you want that front drum brake that also shown in the picture Wink


These bikes are mainly used to ride in cities where you wouldn't be able to go faster than about 40 - 50 km/h and maybe about 60 - 65 km/h outside cities due to abysmal road conditions and possibility of anyone pulling out without looking, pedestrians, animals, cow dung, etc. Believe me, I've tried. I was doing about 90 km/h there overtaking pretty much everyone on the road and suddenly hit a bad patch of road that continued for 5 kilometres. Never been so scared to come off a bike before.

In short, they are perfectly adequate for what they are needed for.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I'm thinking of the rear brakes on my GPz305 and GPZ500S.


I thought that every rear brake was there just to 1) satisfy the MOT man and 2) look pretty....
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 06 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the chihuahua wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
I'm thinking of the rear brakes on my GPz305 and GPZ500S.


I thought that every rear brake was there just to 1) satisfy the MOT man and 2) look pretty....

Granted, when I got the 305, the rear brake was seized through misuse and didn't function at all until I'd cleaned it up.

It had a fresh MOT on it. Whistle
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PostPosted: 02:37 - 07 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Service interval for the fully enclosed chain on a Jawa 350 is 20,000 miles. At which point you are supposed to remove it and boil it in grease. From personal experience, it doesn't actually need doing.

The only good reason to not fit an enclosed chain is fashion.
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 07 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the chihuahua wrote:

I thought that every rear brake was there just to 1) satisfy the MOT man and 2) look pretty....


My rear brake is currently sitting in a box in my garage awaiting purchase of an impact driver to remove the pad retaining pin.

Still commuting 50-odd mile round trip every day, haven't noticed a difference tbh.

(This is the CB-1 not the Ninja btw)
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 07 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eagerly awaiting some nutcase to start making titanium chain cases and creating the next big bike accessory trend.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 07 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said earlier Fashion

Honda cub and I have one as a commuter has used an enclosed but not sealed chain case since the 1950's long chain life
Yamaha did try to use fully enclosed and sealed chain cases on customs in the USA in the 1980's they worked extremely well I friend had a 750 imported with very few miles on it and still the original chain at 80K when he sold it but Fashion always wins over function so there disappeared

Much the best idea shafts sap power and are very heavy
Belts fail with no warning
Open chains require lot of maintenance to last and are messy
Enclosed little maintained OK a bit of extra weight mostly unsprung but a very good compromise
The hard bit is the design of the area around the rear sprocket to enable chain adjustment yet still provide a good seal

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PostPosted: 10:28 - 07 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not hard to get a good seal, you don't need one. Sprockets will always fling lube off to the outside so all you need is full outside coverage planar to the chain run and you can leave the hub section open.
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