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Monkeypony
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Wind damage - Who is liable? Reply with quote

Some kids little 125 has blown over in the wind and knocked into my bike. Not too much damage, dent in the tank and some smashed fairing.

Question is, will his insurance company pay out, or is it one of those bullshit act of God things?
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

his bike damaged yours so imagine his insurance should cover it regardless of wind?

if it was only his damaged then he prob couldn't claim
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why should he be liable? In what way has he been negligent?
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Why should he be liable? In what way has he been negligent?


That's my point exactly!

I suppose he left his bike improperly secured in high winds and too close to mine. But like I said, I'm expecting his insurance company to tell me to get fucked Sad
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all the Environment Agency's fault!
No, no, David bloody Cameron's to blame!

Act of God, get over it sucka! Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Why should he be liable? In what way has he been negligent?

I do know if a house roof slate falls off and hits your vehicle then you claim off the house insurance. No question about liability or negligence.

So I'd expect the same here. Mind you how do you know not pushed over? Do you have video/witness?
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Why should he be liable? In what way has he been negligent?

I do know if a house roof slate falls off and hits your vehicle then you claim off the house insurance. No question about liability or negligence.

So I'd expect the same here. Mind you how do you know not pushed over? Do you have video/witness?


Sadly, there is no CCTV in that part of the car park. All I have is a very sad looking and apologetic little bike owner!
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
It's all the Environment Agency's fault!
No, no, David bloody Cameron's to blame!

Act of God, get over it sucka! Laughing

Tut Tut I though tit was all the gay's fault? Smile
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

Tut Tut I though tit was all the gay's fault? Smile


I see what you did there
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you know yours didnt fall first then his?
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kai.Wilson wrote:
How do you know yours didnt fall first then his?


Not windy enough to knock a 'busa over!!

Plus the dent in my tank wouldn't have been possible if mine was already on its side when his fell.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If some guy walked past and pushed your bike over and it hit a jag, would you happily admit liability and lose your no claims because somebody pushed your bike onto his car?
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
If some guy walked past and pushed your bike over and it hit a jag, would you happily admit liability and lose your no claims because somebody pushed your bike onto his car?


Whether I admitted liability or not, I'd be interested to know if I would actually be liable! Confused

Is someone steals your car (or bike), your insurance company is liable for any damaged caused to people or property (I believe) despite it not being due directly to your own negligence.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

thought this was partially the reasoning behind all vehicles not sorn'd and kept off the road had to be insured? as they can cause damage even if not being driven etc, ie. parked car is run into and is knocked into the next car
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came back to my bike in Uxbridge a couple of weeks ago and all of the scooters/motorcycles to my bike's right had blown over in one of the sharp gales we've been having, like a line of dominos. Mine, presumably the one with the strongest kickstand, remained upright and saved all of the scooters/motorcycles to the left.

No damage to my bike (one of the advantages of a heavy naked), but I had to pick up all of the others to untangle it. A pedestrian helped with a couple of the heavier ones. There was bits of plastic, side mirrors, smashed indicators, etc. all over the ground. I waited around as long as I could to see if anyone came back so that I can explain how all of this damage happened, apparently while just sitting parked. No one showed up, so off I went leaving a mystery behind me. I guess I could have left a note, but it was chucking it down at the time.

I know, I know, cool story bro', but this thread reminded me and I wonder how insurance will sort that one out? Confused
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you claim on your insurance.

However this based on some thin reasoning as Google didn't enlighten me much but I found this

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If a roof tile blows off your house and hits your car, this won't be covered under a home insurance policy and a claim will have to be lodged with your car insurance company. Similarly, if a tile blows of and hit someone else's car, they'll have to claim on their car insurance and the matter is out of your hands - though irate car owners can take a bit of persuading.


(courtesy of https://www.moneysupermarket.com/c/news/are-you-covered-for-storm-damage/0026671/ )

I'm just assuming a similar principle applies if your motorcycle is blown over and hits another damaging it.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Why should he be liable? In what way has he been negligent?

I do know if a house roof slate falls off and hits your vehicle then you claim off the house insurance. No question about liability or negligence.



This is wrong, I found this out the hard way!
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put yourself in his shoes - You bike falls over, nothing you can do about it, and then the bloke goes straight to your insurance which rape you for the next few years preventing you from having nice bikes.

By all means, ask him to pay most or all of the repairs, but going through his insurance if he will pay is a bit mean
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't brutalise the poor sod; it's not his fault. I'd get him to replace the tank (accept a second hand one), and repair the fairings myself.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
Don't brutalise the poor sod; it's not his fault. I'd get him to replace the tank (accept a second hand one), and repair the fairings myself.


To be honest, I'm probably just going to have to stump up the cash myself.

A rough tot-up in my head brings the repair bill to around the £600 mark. He's just a kid, so isn't going to have that sort of cash, and I don't really want to fuck up his insurance for the sake of it.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me being me, if a kid that was genuinely apologetic and not all up in my face about how he "isn't gona do inshurence" or using bad English.. I'd probably let em off anyway, couldn't be helped.

People who would actively shift my bike to cram theirs in then crack the fairings, fuck them.

I've let a few things slide in the past, as have other people to me, so its all fair. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had my bike knocked over by a car once and it dented another cars bonnet. There is a thread on here somewhere asking about advice.

Long story short. Police said there was nothing I could have done to prevent what happened. My bike was not parked negligently and the accident was not my fault.

I would assume the same applies. If the owner parked his bike with accordance with the manufacturers instructions (eg safely on a stand) then the fact that his bike fell over all by itself is not his fault.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a forked stick stashed in a hedge at work that I wedge under the right hand crash bung. Bike has survived some proper gales because of that stick.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 12 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

my shadow was blown over last week, luckily a soft plastic wired fence and sturdy post staved off major damage, a few scratches to the exhaust covers and front right fork cover. It was very windy here
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