il4 to vtwin

[grant965]

Hi all, Had IL4s for 3 years now and fancy trying a twin.
Would really like a tl1000s but they seem to be hit and miss for a cheap en.
How would going from a daytona 600 to a tl1000 or sv1000 be?
A few cheap sv650s around, how would these compare to my daytona?
I enjoy just riding round enjoying the sun and going on solo rides but would need to be comfy for a pillion in the other half wants to come.
How would MPG compare also?
Insurance for the tl1000s and sv650 are the same price from the same insurer so shouldnt have any problems swapping say from sv650 to tl1000 if I get bored.
Finally, what sort've milage to twins start to get tired at?
Thanks, Grant
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Current Bike: '02 Suzuki TL1000R

[pinkyfloyd]

IL4 - V2 is as follows:

More low end grunt, less top end speed.
Less fuel efficiency. They tend to be more thirsty.

SV650 from what I have heard from owners. Old jelly shape is comfy. New pointy shape isnt.

The old TL's were animals. Massive amounts of grunt, great for hammering around the back roads and motorways.

With the engine you have to match the engine to the gears. On an IL4 I have been down to 19mph in 6th and its been smooth. That on a V2 would be impossible. You'll find yourself flitting between 1st and 3rd around town constantly.
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[c-m]

It all depends on the engine.

The difference between the Falco and ZX9R I've owned was never that big.

I'd say that the 9R felt more powerful and torquey throughout the whole rev range. The Falco was a bit bland in comparison.

[kramdra]

My brother has a DL650. Its a very different bike to ride due to its height and the engine and power is very rough - quite a lot if fun but ofcourse run out of revs just when a il4 would take off.

I would probably get bored of the power quickly but perhaps I would have more balls to improve my cornering.

The most noticable thing when getting back on the cbr6 is engine smoothness and the size is like fucking a midget.

[nowhere.elysium]

An SV won't compare to your Triumph in the slightest, unless a lot of money has been dropped on it. The engines are sound enough, provided they've not been abused. The suspension and brakes are weak, but the chassis feels pretty well balanced. Makes a good noise, too.
I've been riding mine in all weathers for just under four years, and it's a solid and reliable ride. It is not, however, fast, nor does it compete with fast bikes. I tend to average about 35mpg, but I don't do subtlety when it comes to throttle control.
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[Blau Zedong]

[flumpy7]

A Vtwin is a lovely thing.....don't ruin the experience by getting an sv650.
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[G]

You could change the internal gearing too, if you really wanted to.
The point being to provide an example that it's not a case of the SV engine having more low down power, merely geared lower.
You could also down gear the Triumph. Even if you made the top speed the same as the SV, despite first still be higher I'd be willing to bet it had more low down go than the SV.

[grant965]

Thanks for the replies, think il go straight to a tl1000 then
how many miles is too high?
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Current Bike: '02 Suzuki TL1000R

[Alex A]

If you're interested in a TL, take a look at this one:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUZUKI-TL1000S-/151229300455?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2335f7fee7

There are some questionable add-ons, but it looks like a tidy example with a lot of money spent on it. £2.5k in the carbon wheels alone.

That being said, an early Tuono would be my choice of affordable V-Twin roadster. Much better chassis/suspension.

[Dalemac]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/APRILIA-SL-1000-FALCO-RED-2001-17070-MILES-R-G-4-SET-BUNGS-SCOTTOILER-/151081443216?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item232d27df90
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[grant965]

As for budget Id only be able to afford a struffy one, seen a few with 30k going for 1600ish.
What are the cagiva V-raptors like?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-CAGIVA-V-RAPTOR-RED-/111281101874?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item19e8dedc32
It has TL engine, does that mean its exactly same engine or a copy? i.e. is it as good quality?

Edit: Also, whats the deal with the MPH sticker, will the speedo actually still read in KMH? I know with a mechanical speedo you just put a sticker over.
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Current Bike: '02 Suzuki TL1000R

[Dalemac]

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[pits]

Don't buy an SV650.

V-Twins are one of those things you either love or hate.
For me I love them, low down grunt, epic noise and they are great fun to ride as you really have to work the bike, up and down the gears and they are just great to ride, come in a bit hot for a corner jam it down a gear with a little squiggle from the back, flick it back up a gear and power through.

IL4 for me, they don't do much then they go really fast and are somewhat boring as they require zero effort, whoopdeedooo I've pinned it in first, and now I will change into second at 120millionmph, that isn't for me.

Just like others will hate V-Twins as grumbly rubbish.
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[RhynoCZ]

I have never owned a V2... - end of statement.

Never go for a suzuki SV650/1000. I've been on 1000S and it was boring and overpriced noise machine, like if Harley Davidson did a ''sports tourer''. I had the NC27 back then when my mate got the SV1000S and I still can not believe people flush that kind of money down do toilet for the SV.

I have heard the TL and VTR are great for the money though, if we want to stay in Japan.
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[Blau Zedong]

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[garth]

I found the SV1000 I rode to be fairly dull, likewise the TL1000S was pretty docile compared to my ZX9R at the time.

Test ride before you buy. I tend to liken big twins to diesel cars. Lots of low down and then drop off the further you rev them.

Also worth a note that they tend to be snatchy at the low end of the rev range. Especially my old 900SSie, it was useless below 3,500rpm and useless above 8000!

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[pits]

[Aspire]

For me a v2 would have to be a Aprilla tuono, problem is them hold there value rather well !!

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