Leaning off the bike HELP!

[Martynjoseph1]

Hey. Currently own a 600 bandit but have been wanting to start leaning off the bike to help improve my riding. Has anyone got any tips to help? many thanks
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[G]

I'd describe it as 'hanging off'.

If you want to improve your road riding, I'd look to advanced riding skills - Motorcycle Roadcraft and then IAM or Rospa if you want a bit more intense training.

I DO hang off on the road, as it goes. It does offer some benefits, though relatively minimal to those you would get from 'advanced riding' techniques.

Look to get one arse cheek off the seat and your upper torso a bit further over - 'kiss the mirror' is often given as the position.
If you're looking to get your knee down, this will get your body in a good position to stick your knee out.
Note that getting your knee down is seperate to hanging off really and has different benefits.
Getting your knee down gives you an ideal of lean angle (and, also, it's fun an' that.)
Hanging off can allow your suspension to work better; it also gives you more ground clearance (useful on a bandit) and a few other minor bits.

[SteveZZR]

If you're confident with the bike and want to take your own ability further - track day.

I did an evening session for £40 at Cadwell last June and it was amazing. Would've gone a couple more times before the end of summer if I had fallen right with work / had more money. It brought my road riding on a lot, but obviously you have to remember the limit when you come back to the badly maintained poor surface we call B roads (and a lot of A roads for that matter)

[Martynjoseph1]

Thanks for the replies. I've been considering both track days and rider training and am looking to book something during the summer, just sort of wanted to know a little more about the basics of hanging off etc like position mainly. I've tried hanging off once before briefly but it felt odd but am looking to keep practising it. Thanks for the help
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[Old Git Racing]

It's the whole body that needs to be positioned. As G says 'kissing the mirror'. Your inside shoulder needs to be forward and you need to push on the inside bar, bum half on the seat, knee out, foot weighting inside peg. Get into position before the corner but do it smoothly or it upsets the bike.
It works for me, do it all the time to some degree but if you are just tootling about and do it you will look a tit.

OGR
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[J biker]

[MattJ]

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[Ste]

J biker, where did you do your training?

[MattJ]

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[Ste]

Taught by experienced riders but not taught anything about how getting your pegs down is a bad idea?

I have skills cos I passed my test without any training.

If hanging off isn't beneficial to the bikes handling, why do racers hang off?

Hanging off isn't required but having the bike leant over less and so having a larger amount of tyre in contact with the road is a good thing.

Going back a couple of posts....

"TBH I'm just getting to the edge of the tyre (just) when pegs might touch down, depends a bit on the bike and suspension set up. Never even got pegs down on R1 or GSXR, but had no bother on FZ1s or VFR.. Contact patch on the road should be no worse until well after this point. "

That is so wrong that it means those who've taught might have lots of experience but they're not advanced riders.

[J biker]

[quote="Ste"]Taught by experienced riders but not taught anything about how getting your pegs down is a bad idea?

I have skills cos I passed my test without any training.

If hanging off isn't beneficial to the bikes handling, why do racers

So your so good you passed without training? So you already knew it all..

Racers hang off for several reasons, feel, saving low sides, getting round corners faster on the edge of their tyres.

It's a bit extreme for road ring though, do you ride like that? If that's what your saying I am impressed.

Now not once have I said pegs down each time I go out, maybe once or twice each year. Mine do fold back btw. This can happen due to a slight rise on a corner or the suspension loading. My tyres have no chicken strips, but are not track day fried at the edges either. In your experience, what am I doing wrong? Do I need to hang off the bike a bit more?

[Monkeyjoe]

I'm new to biking, and still learning, but aren't we talking countersteering here? I learned about that from my instructor, youtube, and "Pass the Bike Test" book... the thought was scary, but I tried it, (only very gradually) and it seemed to work ok....

[G]

It's not undulation in the road I would worry about pegs-down, it's holes and the like. The end of a peg is much more likely to dig in than a knee on a slider. Think there was a case of someone being killed when this happened.

[Monkeyjoe]

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Hanging off it's self is actually very simple - but not a distraction I would be worrying about right now.

[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

Hanging off if only an inch or two helps on those greasy roundabouts, and just like the 'pros' you get into position before the maneuver.
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[Martynjoseph1]

Thanks for the replies everyone. Will take on board what everyone has said and keep it in mind when I practise thanks
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[Vincent]

It's handy to know how to do it for when there's ice
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