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haroman666
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Riding in America Reply with quote

So i'm going to the USA in the summer.

For a couple of days I intend to rent a bike.

Now by all means hit me round the face with your Anti-Cliche cricket bat but my intention is to rent a Harley and to ride it on a short section of Historic Route 66.

Don't ask me why. Don't suggest I shouldn't. Don't... Well just don't. Don't say it; whatever it is!! Mr. Green
INB4 Haroman has caught teh ghey.

I'm just after some general advice on what I should take into consideration with the bike rental, the riding on foreign roads etc etc.

So far my plan is to rent from https://www.eaglerider.com/ from their Las Vegas main depot. And i'm going for the cheapest bike as I need to keep cost down so it will be the Sportster 883.

Ride from Vegas to Flagstaff which will be 4-5 hour ride.
Maybe nip up towards the Grand Canyon from Flagstaff.
Stay the night in Flagstaff and then return to Vegas the following day.
(All with little exploratory excursions in between)

What do I need to take into account?
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Four way stops ?
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking forward to the replies for this, as I also plan to do it myself maybe next year.... I would never ride a Harley in the UK, especially Scotland, too wet, bike too heavy, but in the USA, sounds pretty cool, just for the experience of doing it.... good luck buddy, hope you enjoy it! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted a ride report on UKGSer https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?305523-California-amp-South-West-USA

Route 66 wasn't worth the effort. I'd try to stretch it to two nights then you'd have time to explore the awesome Grand Canyon Cool I'd consider the north rim and perhaps include Bryce Canyon too if you can.

Riding over there is a doddle once outside LV as there's f-all traffic and they speak English (but don't understand Yorkshire Laughing ) - it's easier than Europe. I can't wait to go back next year to see Yellowstone Smile
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 21 Feb 2014    Post subject: Re: Riding in America Reply with quote

haroman666 wrote:

Now by all means hit me round the face with your Anti-Cliche cricket bat but my intention is to rent a Harley and to ride it on a short section of Historic Route 66.


I would love to ride a Harley across America. That's exactly what they are for! Definitely saving the pennies for that one.

Having been forced to ride something similar in the UK....never, ever again. But in the USA, hell yes!
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Re: Riding in America Reply with quote

Pigeon wrote:
haroman666 wrote:

Now by all means hit me round the face with your Anti-Cliche cricket bat but my intention is to rent a Harley and to ride it on a short section of Historic Route 66.


I would love to ride a Harley across America. That's exactly what they are for! Definitely saving the pennies for that one.

Having been forced to ride something similar in the UK....never, ever again. But in the USA, hell yes!


You may not say that if you were riding the Million Dollar Highway in the Rockies or Tioga Pass - it's a long way down if you get in wrong in the twisties Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of Route 66 we rode was tediously straight though, especially across the Mojave Desert and the famous Kingman to Seligman section - 35 mile straights in 45 degree C temperatures Sad
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:


Haha!

I found the four ways stops actually worked quite well
(except on the occasion when a car coming from a blind entry onto it appeared at about 60 with (presumably) no idea that he'd just run a stop line and nearly took out the front of the pick up I was driving, continuing on his way totally oblivious that he'd nearly been taken out by the tank that is an F150)
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Protective gear is important... If you forget to apply sunscreen you WILL burn.

I'll recount the comedy conversation I had when I rented a Harley in the US:

"Now son, what sort of a bike do you ride back home?"

"I've got a 500 ninja (that's what the septics call a GPZ500) and I've got an MZ street moto which is a 660cc dirt bike with road wheels."

"Well you'd better be careful son, you're riding a powerful bike now. Just take it easy on the throttle."

*Poker face mode engaged. Bite lip. Grin and nod.*

On a serious note. Most of the roads are wide and easy.

You are allowed to overtake on either side on the freeway. Most states do NOT allow filtering (lane splitting) with the exception of California where it is legal but generally frowned upon. If people see you they may well "shut the door" on you, expect it.

They will put solid whites all over the place which you aren't allowed to overtake on. The default position is solids with broken only where even the most fuckwitted driver could safely overtake.

In many places, it is legal to turn right on a red light as long as the road is clear and there isn't a no right turn sign.

You are expected to come to a full and complete stop at any and all stop signs (stop, foot down, ride off again). They WILL bust you for blowing them.

The speed limit is low and low for a reason. People in America drive like total cocks. They are sat in big, lazy, enormous automatics set on cruise control and are much more interested in setting the air-con just right or tuning in the radio than looking where they are going.

If you ride like a cock and are stopped by the police. Stop and wait for them to come to you and keep your hands in clear view on the bars until told otherwise. Be super polite, call them sir and they'll write you up in a no-nonsense fashion.

If you ride like a cock in a school zone they will stomp on your head. Never overtake a school bus with its lights flashing, not even on the freeway.

Helmets are not mandatory in all states. If you're doing route 66 you need to wear a helmet in: California, Missouri and (if you're under 20) Texas. You need a medical waiver to ride without a helmet in some states. Many rental places will hve a restriction on taking their bikes out of state.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


You are expected to come to a full and complete stop at any and all stop signs (stop, foot down, ride off again). They WILL bust you for blowing them.



...And that also includes stop signs in car park and places off the public highway!!!

Also in car parks, it is an offence to drive across parking bays, even when pulling into or out of the one you park in - so no exiting by driving forward into the next bay and out!

Edit: assume all other road users are idiots, most of them are!
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

spnorm wrote:
I can't wait to go back next year to see Yellowstone Smile


Yellowstone is amazing. Take some strong bloody binoculars and study up on the best wildlife spotting areas before you go. I'd love to go back and see the pack of wolves again. Sad
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop signs sound retarded, it would do my head in having to come to a complete stop even when there is no traffic around.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 22 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers! Thumbs Up

I'm aware that a huge percentage of Rt. 66 is just now straight interstate road not worth riding on.
So I may do as spnorm says and spend more time riding up around the Grand Canyon and that area where i'd imagine the roads are going to be far more interesting.

Eaglerider provide a Helmet with the base hire rate and i've factored in Jacket rental and damage insurance and personal insurance into my budget.

I'm currently in the mind-set that I wont ride like a cock, as I just want a classic American "cruise" ride. Which will probably bore me after a while and i'll end up wanting to crack open the noise-making actuator. But my intentions are currently innocent!!

I'm 22 (I'll be 23 about 3 days before I plan to do this) so no drama's concerning that.

In terms of fuel and frequency of "gas stations": Should I keep a sharp eye on fuel and fill up at every opportunity to be safe? I'm just thinking that the vastness of the US might mean the stations are further apart? Or less frequent on lesser busy roads?

Again; cheers for the info Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
Stop signs sound retarded, it would do my head in having to come to a complete stop even when there is no traffic around.


France and most European countries are the same...STOP means STOP, Other wise its a giveway sign.(ceder le passage)..If you don't stop, foot down, and the police see you,.... you WILL get fined.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

FergieinFrance wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:
Stop signs sound retarded, it would do my head in having to come to a complete stop even when there is no traffic around.


France and most European countries are the same...STOP means STOP, Other wise its a giveway sign.(ceder le passage)..If you don't stop, foot down, and the police see you,.... you WILL get fined.


While this is true, you are using France as an example to argue that something isn't retarded, so your point is invalid Razz
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

James83 wrote:


While this is true, you are using France as an example to argue that something isn't retarded, so your point is invalid Razz


There would be a lot less SMIDSY's in the UK if the
"Retarded" stop signs were re enforced, instead of treating them like give way signs. They're put there for a reason...for you to STOP at..stop and check, not a quick glance and pull out....oh dear, SMIDSY...
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

FergieinFrance wrote:
James83 wrote:


While this is true, you are using France as an example to argue that something isn't retarded, so your point is invalid Razz


There would be a lot less SMIDSY's in the UK if the
"Retarded" stop signs were re enforced, instead of treating them like give way signs. They're put there for a reason...for you to STOP at..stop and check, not a quick glance and pull out....oh dear, SMIDSY...


There would also be a lot less SMIDSY's if anyone that caused one was summarily executed at the roadside. A solution should not be judged solely on its effectiveness in dealing with a specific problem. The problem that Stop signs solve would be much better addressed by removing from the road the people that don't pay it enough attention.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

FergieinFrance wrote:

France and most European countries are the same...STOP means STOP, Other wise its a giveway sign.(ceder le passage)..If you don't stop, foot down, and the police see you,.... you WILL get fined.


But France also intemittantly and seemingly randomly gives right of way to joining traffic rather than traffic already on a road...

Anyway, the reason I mentioned it is because they use an enormous number of stop signs in the US in places where anywhere else would use a give way.

In the UK for example, they tend to only use stop signs where visability on the approach to a junction is restricted. In the US, you'll find a stop sign at a totally open crossroads in the middle of a flat, featureless desert.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watch out for freeway off-ramps. They can have much tighter radii than you expect - and are regularly missed by drivers, judging by the marks left on the crash barriers.
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Most states do NOT allow filtering (lane splitting) with the exception of California where it is legal but generally frowned upon.

People were very polite about making room for me in northern CA, but I showed up in their mirrors, and made my intentions clear. YMMV.
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They will put solid whites all over the place which you aren't allowed to overtake on.

This - although the lines are actually yellow - and it's stupid.
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You are expected to come to a full and complete stop at any and all stop signs (stop, foot down, ride off again). They WILL bust you for blowing them.

Yes, though do note the California roll. Regenerative braking's biggest win is probably the US.
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